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6 months ago ::
Dec 08, 2012 - 8:56PM
#131
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I may be in the minority, but I actually like the idea of fey-pact warlocks. I also like the idea of elemental pact and maybe even celestial pact. For me, a good chaotic warlock can be a very interesting character(one of my favorites, in fact)
I wouldn't assume that you're in the minority. Fey Pact warlocks are much loved. 
Glad to hear it. Tried one in 3.5 and loved it. First character I created in 4.0 was Hexblade and loved it. Here's hoping that the Warlock is viable as a next gen class and Fey-pact(at least) is an alternative option to infernal/demon. If other options were available, that would be even better
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6 months ago ::
Dec 08, 2012 - 9:01PM
#132
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I may be in the minority, but I actually like the idea of fey-pact warlocks. I also like the idea of elemental pact and maybe even celestial pact. For me, a good chaotic warlock can be a very interesting character(one of my favorites, in fact)
I wouldn't assume that you're in the minority. Fey Pact warlocks are much loved.
Glad to hear it. Tried one in 3.5 and loved it. First character I created in 4.0 was Hexblade and loved it. Here's hoping that the Warlock is viable as a next gen class and Fey-pact(at least) is an alternative option to infernal/demon. If other options were available, that would be even better
I was under the impression fey pact Warlocks didn't exist in 3.5.
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6 months ago ::
Dec 09, 2012 - 1:17AM
#133
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I may be in the minority, but I actually like the idea of fey-pact warlocks. I also like the idea of elemental pact and maybe even celestial pact. For me, a good chaotic warlock can be a very interesting character(one of my favorites, in fact)
I wouldn't assume that you're in the minority. Fey Pact warlocks are much loved.
Glad to hear it. Tried one in 3.5 and loved it. First character I created in 4.0 was Hexblade and loved it. Here's hoping that the Warlock is viable as a next gen class and Fey-pact(at least) is an alternative option to infernal/demon. If other options were available, that would be even better
I was under the impression fey pact Warlocks didn't exist in 3.5.
They don't...and i don't know what's the attraction of 3.5 warlock...it's a very boring class overall...i could go sorcerer, have the same flavor/fluff and be 10x better at my job and more interesting at it
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6 months ago ::
Dec 09, 2012 - 1:40AM
#134
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I was under the impression fey pact Warlocks didn't exist in 3.5.
3.5 warlocks didn't have pacts like the 4e ones, but fey were one of the possible origins for a warlock's powers.
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6 months ago ::
Dec 09, 2012 - 1:46AM
#135
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Um no not really, the warlock pacts in 3e were almost exclusively fiendish.
Fey weren't really power player sin 3e like they were in 4e.
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6 months ago ::
Dec 09, 2012 - 4:15AM
#136
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It was in the fluff if I remember well. Warlocks gained resistance bypassed by cold iron, and the origin of the dark forces changing the warlock could be dark feys and not wart masters Disney feys.
The prestige classes were mostly fiend oriented, which was bad. As bad as most of the few new powers that were proposed later. It made me think that the devs weren't interested at all in exploiting the class potential, or weren't anymore interested in studying the implication of at-will spells in 3.5, already studying them for the 4th edition.
D&D is not known to support decently non mainstream classes, so maybe it's just that. I may be in the minority, but I actually like the idea of fey-pact warlocks. I also like the idea of elemental pact and maybe even celestial pact. For me, a good chaotic warlock can be a very interesting character(one of my favorites, in fact)
I wouldn't assume that you're in the minority. Fey Pact warlocks are much loved.
Glad to hear it. Tried one in 3.5 and loved it. First character I created in 4.0 was Hexblade and loved it. Here's hoping that the Warlock is viable as a next gen class and Fey-pact(at least) is an alternative option to infernal/demon. If other options were available, that would be even better
I was under the impression fey pact Warlocks didn't exist in 3.5.
They don't...and i don't know what's the attraction of 3.5 warlock...it's a very boring class overall...i could go sorcerer, have the same flavor/fluff and be 10x better at my job and more interesting at it
Except that warlocks weren't spellcasters, they were more a monster class than anything, closer to a rogue than anything.
There's no way a sorcerer could be something close, even by wasting precious metamagic to take the crappy [weremonster] feats.
Warlocks were not more boring than a rogue. In fact, they could do a lot of things like rogues and throw their eyeballs and cut hands around in top of that (and change appearance, and create zones, and a lot of funny stuffs when done at-will).
Roleplaying these grotesque gothic monsters was funny as hell, and I remember that the Dms loved playing with the class background and the "good actions done with dark powers are punished twice" theme. I also insist with the dark feys as present in the 3.5 fluff because one of my warlocks started with fiendish curse based fluff, continued with this hellfire based prestige class, and then bargained a lot of time with a crazy dark fey to make a pact with it and quit the fiendish ranks. The change of allegiance had no impact on the mechanics of the class which eased this scenario.
The 4th edition warlock wasn't as fun as it was a full spellcaster, managing ressources, from spellcasting to class features. The 3.5 warlock was careless, the power was always there and it was easy to be corrupted by it (roleplay point of view). The invocations were truly class features and not spellcasting. They were more fun in and out of combat than the 4th edition warlock IMO.
"They are making it clear that when modern design and common sense come into conflict with tradition, tradition wins." - thecasualoblivion
"Vancian isn't broken, you just have to set your game to the wizard's clock!" - Oxybe
"In many ways, making a new edition of D&D is alot like trying to sell a car to the Amish." - Dwarfslayer
"Encounters are the heart of the AD&D game" - PHB AD&D 2nd edition.
"you shouldn't even bother trying to become like me." - Gary Gygax (Elfcrusher confirmed)
"Feel free to claim I said anything you like. How's someone going to call you out on it? Are they going to be all like, 'I know all of the things that Gary said, and that's not one of them?'"
- Gary Gygax
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6 months ago ::
Dec 09, 2012 - 4:22AM
#137
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In many ways, I see Warlocks akin to Paladins/Clerics. I want support for many archetypes, essentially any source of supernatural power. An elemental warlock should feel different than an elemental cleric, even if many of their spells are similar. A vestage pact should be one that is unique to the warlock, and perhaps even be the "core" one.
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6 months ago ::
Dec 09, 2012 - 4:55AM
#138
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Jun 15, 2006
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* A hypothetical vampire class has been mentioned and I would like add a thing.
That..."template class" should need a different system of magic item reward because the most of living monsters are walking healer potions. Do you rebember the skill "find potion" by Barbarian from Diablo II? The vampire PC would be drinking fallen enemies after combat almost every time.
And the DM guide need a module to change XPs reward because of special circustances..(fighint vampires when night starts or sun is about to dawn... or a dead magic zone and PCs are spellcaster and/or use lot of magic item).
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The 3.5 warlock was a playtesting of at-will magic power the same way classes from Tome of Battle was a playtesting about encounter powers.
When I imagine the next warlock I thing about a mixture of 4th ed warlock and the pathfinder witch. I imagine a spellcaster with a little list of known spells to cast spontaneous magic like socerer, and he can´t memorize spells like wizards but rechaging fetishes... (like a temporal mini-crafting). For example a level 1 warlock can prepare 5 fetish with 0 level spells, but only can cast three. If he uses three fetishes to cast spells (out of his short list of known ones) the other two fetishes what have been prepared can´t be used by that warlock (they would be like a bomb with fuse but without explosive).
I like the idea of backlash (like Dark Age: Mage, by White Wolf Publishn, old Word of Darkness), for example a warlock can create a special fire but he burn himself too, and that damage only can be healed by resting (try use magic only would make it worse) or he suffer a special vulnerability (double damage by iron weapons... or by natural weapons), like a penace.
"Say me what you're showing off for, and I'll say you what you lack!" (Spanish saying)
Book 13 Anaclet 23
Confucius said: "The Superior Man is in harmony but does not follow the crowd. The inferior man follows the crowd, but is not in harmony"
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6 months ago ::
Dec 09, 2012 - 4:56AM
#139
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Date Joined:
Aug 13, 2004
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In many ways, I see Warlocks akin to Paladins/Clerics. I want support for many archetypes, essentially any source of supernatural power. An elemental warlock should feel different than an elemental cleric, even if many of their spells are similar. A vestage pact should be one that is unique to the warlock, and perhaps even be the "core" one.
There's is the question of which archetype an elemental warlock represent.
If warlocks are considered bad guys or anti-heroes, it's because the choice they made to acquire power is evil in itself.
Making a pact with or exploiting a curse from fiends, dark gods, dark feys, DS sorcer-kings, or Cthulhu is a really frightening choice most sane people would never make in the same situation.
Making pacts with Vestiges is not an evil thing in itself, as Vestiges, by definition, have no impact anywhere except through the use of the pact. It's dangerous for the warlock, but the Vestiges are banished from reality and unable to go beyond the warlock, which is a protection in itself for the warlock, as a Vestige don't want to lose its rare links to reality. I can't say that an evil servant of Vestiges inspire me much fear and repulsion at the allegiance he chose to make.
The Disney pact (4th ed. Fey pact, Or Verenestra) is totally neutral, it can even be a very good act depending on the chosen fey. It's totally anti-anti-hero or evil choice. I can't say that an evil servant of Verenstra inspire me much fear and repulsion at the allegiance he chose to make, I may even find it funny.
If we talk about warlock archetypes, we have to define them. Starting with what is a warlock.
"They are making it clear that when modern design and common sense come into conflict with tradition, tradition wins." - thecasualoblivion
"Vancian isn't broken, you just have to set your game to the wizard's clock!" - Oxybe
"In many ways, making a new edition of D&D is alot like trying to sell a car to the Amish." - Dwarfslayer
"Encounters are the heart of the AD&D game" - PHB AD&D 2nd edition.
"you shouldn't even bother trying to become like me." - Gary Gygax (Elfcrusher confirmed)
"Feel free to claim I said anything you like. How's someone going to call you out on it? Are they going to be all like, 'I know all of the things that Gary said, and that's not one of them?'"
- Gary Gygax
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6 months ago ::
Dec 09, 2012 - 5:29AM
#140
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Date Joined:
Jun 15, 2006
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A character can be a dark hero, good intentions but feared by the rest, like mutants from X-Mens comics. Warlocks PCs could be good and nobles but with a too much bad reputation, a bad fame.
"Say me what you're showing off for, and I'll say you what you lack!" (Spanish saying)
Book 13 Anaclet 23
Confucius said: "The Superior Man is in harmony but does not follow the crowd. The inferior man follows the crowd, but is not in harmony"
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