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6 months ago ::
Dec 07, 2012 - 7:12AM
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Yeah, it used bloodline cheeses, but the pre-epic Epic feat was a side effect of that, not the goal. The goal was to pump the caster level sky high... And it worked.
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6 months ago ::
Dec 07, 2012 - 8:39AM
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Yeah, it used bloodline cheeses, but the pre-epic Epic feat was a side effect of that, not the goal. The goal was to pump the caster level sky high... And it worked.
Which is cool and all, but the epic feat doesn't work. Bloodlines are sadly not actual levels, as they specifically do not increase your character level, and so do not qualify you for [epic] feats.
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6 months ago ::
Dec 07, 2012 - 8:44AM
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Yeah, it used bloodline cheeses, but the pre-epic Epic feat was a side effect of that, not the goal. The goal was to pump the caster level sky high... And it worked.
Which is cool and all, but the epic feat doesn't work. Bloodlines are sadly not actual levels, as they specifically do not increase your character level, and so do not qualify you for [epic] feats.
True, but all that particular feat requires is 24 ranks in two skills. If you can find a rule that says that [Epic} feats can only be used after level 20, feel free to post it in that thread and I'll change it. So far, no one's been able to find a rule saying that it can't be done.
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6 months ago ::
Dec 07, 2012 - 9:05AM
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6 months ago ::
Dec 07, 2012 - 10:19AM
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I said "in that thread".  Fair enough; I can change it.
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6 months ago ::
Dec 08, 2012 - 2:10AM
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Just since we're mentioning it, I have to note that the section about epic feats from the Draconomicon is rather loosely written, since it uses the terms "dragon" and "old age", rather than "true dragon" or "old age category" which would be a little more specific.
It's one of those cases where you either assume, purely from context, that it's talking about true dragons who've reached the old age category, or you allow any creature of old age with the dragon type to have epic feats for which they meet the prerequisites (though many of them are, fortunately, still limited by hard skill or BAB requirements).
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Zauber's Mutable Rod: This rod has a number of useful functions that make it easier to live in the wilderness. It is made of polished wood, with five studlike buttons on one end. Each button produces a different effect when pressed. Unless otherwise noted, the rod’s functions have no limit on the number of times they can be employed.
• When button 1 is pressed, one end of the rod produces a small flame, equivalent to a candle.
• When button 2 is pressed, the rod unfolds into a two-person tent, complete with bedrolls and warm blankets.
• When button 3 is pressed, the rod becomes a one-handed hammer, suitable for pounding pitons into a wall.
• When button 4 is pressed, the rod becomes a sturdy iron spade.
• When button 5 is pressed, the rod becomes a wooden bucket able to hold 2 gallons of liquid. Once per day, it can be commanded to fill with fresh water.
If the rod is seriously damaged or broken in any of its alternate forms (button 2, 3, 4, or 5), it reverts to its basic rod form and cannot be activated for 24 hours.
Moderate conjuration; CL 9th; Craft Rod, minor creation; Price 375 gp; Weight 2 lb.
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6 months ago ::
Dec 08, 2012 - 6:58AM
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Just since we're mentioning it, I have to note that the section about epic feats from the Draconomicon is rather loosely written, since it uses the terms "dragon" and "old age", rather than "true dragon" or "old age category" which would be a little more specific.
It's one of those cases where you either assume, purely from context, that it's talking about true dragons who've reached the old age category, or you allow any creature of old age with the dragon type to have epic feats for which they meet the prerequisites (though many of them are, fortunately, still limited by hard skill or BAB requirements).
Hence the beauty of the dragonwraught Kobald.
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6 months ago ::
Dec 08, 2012 - 8:11AM
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Hence the beauty of the dragonwraught Kobald.
Well, that and Spell-Hoarding Loredrakes.
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6 months ago ::
Dec 08, 2012 - 11:51AM
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Hence the beauty of the dragonwraught Kobald.
The dragonwrought part is completely unnecessary for obtaining access to epic feats, since kobolds already have the dragonblood subtype and thus count as dragons for all effects related to race.
And, of course, kobolds aren't anything special on that front. Any character with the dragonblood subtype (which can be almost any race since there are a variety of ways to add it) can get epic feats as soon as they get past middle age, according to a context-free reading of the Draconomicon. If you're not fussing over the exact use of "dragon" there's no reason to fuss over the exact use of "old" either.
The kraken stirs. And ten billion sushi dinners cry out for vengeance. - Good Omens
Co-Author of the Dreamfane, Euralden Eye, Gajuisan Crawler, Gruesome Lurker, Fulminating Crab, Ironglass Rose, Sheengrass Swarm, Spryjack, Usunag, and Warp Drifter, and author of the Magmal Horror from Force of Nature.
= My most popular campaign item; for all your adventuring convenience.
Show
Zauber's Mutable Rod: This rod has a number of useful functions that make it easier to live in the wilderness. It is made of polished wood, with five studlike buttons on one end. Each button produces a different effect when pressed. Unless otherwise noted, the rod’s functions have no limit on the number of times they can be employed.
• When button 1 is pressed, one end of the rod produces a small flame, equivalent to a candle.
• When button 2 is pressed, the rod unfolds into a two-person tent, complete with bedrolls and warm blankets.
• When button 3 is pressed, the rod becomes a one-handed hammer, suitable for pounding pitons into a wall.
• When button 4 is pressed, the rod becomes a sturdy iron spade.
• When button 5 is pressed, the rod becomes a wooden bucket able to hold 2 gallons of liquid. Once per day, it can be commanded to fill with fresh water.
If the rod is seriously damaged or broken in any of its alternate forms (button 2, 3, 4, or 5), it reverts to its basic rod form and cannot be activated for 24 hours.
Moderate conjuration; CL 9th; Craft Rod, minor creation; Price 375 gp; Weight 2 lb.
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6 months ago ::
Dec 08, 2012 - 4:28PM
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Hence the beauty of the dragonwraught Kobald.
The dragonwrought part is completely unnecessary for obtaining access to epic feats, since kobolds already have the dragonblood subtype and thus count as dragons for all effects related to race.
And, of course, kobolds aren't anything special on that front. Any character with the dragonblood subtype (which can be almost any race since there are a variety of ways to add it) can get epic feats as soon as they get past middle age, according to a context-free reading of the Draconomicon. If you're not fussing over the exact use of "dragon" there's no reason to fuss over the exact use of "old" either.
I could have sworn that the passage said true dragons specifically. Oh well, I'm away from books at the moment and actually abut to head out to run a game, that and I kind of nudged the conversation off topic anyway so I'll give this a miss for now, maybe I'll have the time to look it up a little later.
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