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7 months ago ::
Dec 01, 2012 - 9:37AM
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I may have unintentionally synergized, and I want to make sure it works like I think it works, before I bring it up to my DM.
Saving Grace: I make a save against an effect, I succeed and keep the effect, and an ally within 5 makes a SAVE+CHA
Heroic Example: I make a save against an effect, I succeed, and the first ally within 5 (before my SONT), to make a save gets +4 to that save.
Here's how I understand it, using a quick example: I, and one ally in 5, both have ongoing 10 poison, and I just ended my turn and have to make my saving throw. I throw 14 and succeed, BUT I now keep the ongoing 10 and give my ally a SAVE+5 (my CHA), but because I just made a successful save versus an effect, and it's untyped, they instead get a SAVE+9 to beat the poison?
Sure, it's the investment of two feats, but that still seems like a low cost to all but negate ongoing (anything) for a party member? That's why I'm convinced it doesn't work like I think it does -- because ~I~ figured it out, and that never works. :P
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As an aside, I thought I saw a cleric power or feat once that says, "You've got a save-vs-effect on you? I take it from you, and now it's mine. Go forth!" but I can't seem to find it again... Anyone familiar with it?
As a DM, I find it easier to just punish the players no matter what they pick, as I assume they will pick stuff that is broken. I mean, fight after fight they kill all the monsters without getting killed themselves! What sort of a game is this, anyway?
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7 months ago ::
Dec 01, 2012 - 10:10AM
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I may have unintentionally synergized, and I want to make sure it works like I think it works, before I bring it up to my DM.
Saving Grace: I make a save against an effect, I succeed and keep the effect, and an ally within 5 makes a SAVE+CHA
Heroic Example: I make a save against an effect, I succeed, and the first ally within 5 (before my SONT), to make a save gets +4 to that save.
Here's how I understand it, using a quick example: I, and one ally in 5, both have ongoing 10 poison, and I just ended my turn and have to make my saving throw. I throw 14 and succeed, BUT I now keep the ongoing 10 and give my ally a SAVE+5 (my CHA), but because I just made a successful save versus an effect, and it's untyped, they instead get a SAVE+9 to beat the poison?
Sure, it's the investment of two feats, but that still seems like a low cost to all but negate ongoing (anything) for a party member? That's why I'm convinced it doesn't work like I think it does -- because ~I~ figured it out, and that never works. :P
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As an aside, I thought I saw a cleric power or feat once that says, "You've got a save-vs-effect on you? I take it from you, and now it's mine. Go forth!" but I can't seem to find it again... Anyone familiar with it?
Courageous Example (instead of Heroic Example) is the name of the feat.
While it does give you the bonus you are thinking, it isn't that great because you are keeping a negative effect on you. You could, however, use it for things like Stream of Life. That is the only example I can think of off the top of my head that would be worth it with these particular feats, and its a daily.
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7 months ago ::
Dec 01, 2012 - 8:00PM
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..."window.parent.tinyMCE.get('post_content').onLoad.dispatch();" contenteditable="true" />As an aside, I thought I saw a cleric power or feat once that says, "You've got a save-vs-effect on you? I take it from you, and now it's mine. Go forth!" but I can't seem to find it again... Anyone familiar with it?
There's a Bard Power - Mantle Of Sacrifice, Utility 6. Take a Save Ends from someone in the burst, give it to someone else (or yourself), recipient gets +CON to their saves against that effect.
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