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6 months ago ::
Dec 01, 2012 - 10:41PM
#141
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Again, if RAW allows the stacking of half templates, you can point to where it says it.
RAW doesn't, and never has, stated in explicit language everything that is available to you.
Care to prove that?
Quite simply spoken: All of your character die if they exist for more than a minute. There is no rule which states that you can breathe, and as such per RAW all character will die form suffocation within a short few minutes. What a badly designed game this is...
You know, there's rules for suffocation in the 3e DMG, and it gives very clear conditions required for suffocation. It requires more than just existing for a minute. Good try though.
Prove it. Point to where it says your character is always breathing.
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6 months ago ::
Dec 01, 2012 - 10:42PM
#142
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How about a less zany example?
Tiefling Paladin. A Tiefling Paladin is allowed, by RAW, but it isn't ever explicitly stated to be allowed. There are doubtless people out there to whom it doesn't make sense that the Gods would choose a holy champion that has the ichor of the Abyss running in his veins, but it's a legal choice.
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6 months ago ::
Dec 01, 2012 - 10:48PM
#143
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Prove it. Point to where it says your character is always breathing.
Check out the 3.5 DMG article on the suffocation condition. Since it says what is required for suffocation, it is clear that suffocation can only happen under those conditions. If that's the case, then it can't happen under any other conditions. If it can't happen under any other condition, then your character must be breathing for that time when it can't happen. If not, it would be a contradiction of the rules.
Tiefling is a base race right? You can pick your race and your class, RAW is very clear on that, and the tiefling entry specifically confirms that not all tieflings are evil via it's alignment entry. So, I've got RAW saying you can do that.
It's not crazy to ask someone to prove a claim if they make one. RAW says you can add templates. Some templates are half-breeds. It's impossible to have half-breeds with multiple half-templates. Just like it's impossible to be a full elf and a full dwarf, or impossible to be sickened and not be sickened at the same time. One condition by necessaity eliminates the other.
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6 months ago ::
Dec 01, 2012 - 10:50PM
#144
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Because I think it got lost in the conversation, allow me to repost this: Again, if RAW allows the stacking of half templates, you can point to where it says it.
RAW doesn't, and never has, stated in explicit language everything that is available to you.
Care to prove that?
Where does RAW say that you can attempt to disarm someone by throwing your shield at their wrist? It doesn't. As I said "RAW doesn't, and never has, stated in explicit language everything that is available to you."
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so why even play a fighter if you can play the paladin the exact same way behaviorally and get added power to boot. "Paladin" is about accepting better game-enhancing mechanics at the price of more rigid in game behavior.
Really? So it goes something like this?
Fighter: "I want to be a paladin."
NPC: "Really?"
Fighter: "Yes."
NPC: "Very well." Starts reading from a holy book while still in-character "Do you accept having to choose and stick to the lawful good alignment, eventhough neither of us actually knows that it exists or what it is?"
Fighter: "I do."
NPC: "Do you reject good game balance because you accidentally rolled a high Charisma?"
Fighter: "What?"
NPC: "I don't know what it means either."
Fighter: "Oh. Umm, ok I do."
NPC: "In the name of all that is metagamey and broken, accept these better game enhancing mechanics."
Fighter: "These what?"
NPC: "Just get out there and try to fulfill a million different people's notion of good while not violating and part of any of them."
So the system is designed such that every single hit needs to be described to avoid confusion? Here's a scenario. The players are nudists, everybody in the world are nudists, it's not weird, it's totally normal in this land. They are naked and they fight drakes taking damage throughout, but healing up with surges. Later they meet the guy who raised the drakes.
Part 1: I didn't describe any of the hits. What does he see?
Part 2: Lets say I described the drakes as biting the players, yet they healed up. What does he see?
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6 months ago ::
Dec 01, 2012 - 10:51PM
#145
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Where does RAW say that you can attempt to disarm someone by throwing your shield at their wrist? It doesn't. As I said "RAW doesn't, and never has, stated in explicit language everything that is available to you."
Are you talking about the ranged disarm feat? And thank you for re-posting it.
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6 months ago ::
Dec 01, 2012 - 10:54PM
#146
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Where does RAW say that you can attempt to disarm someone by throwing your shield at their wrist? It doesn't. As I said "RAW doesn't, and never has, stated in explicit language everything that is available to you."
Are you talking about the ranged disarm feat? And thank you for re-posting it.
No, I'm not talking about that feat. I'm talking about just doing it.
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so why even play a fighter if you can play the paladin the exact same way behaviorally and get added power to boot. "Paladin" is about accepting better game-enhancing mechanics at the price of more rigid in game behavior.
Really? So it goes something like this?
Fighter: "I want to be a paladin."
NPC: "Really?"
Fighter: "Yes."
NPC: "Very well." Starts reading from a holy book while still in-character "Do you accept having to choose and stick to the lawful good alignment, eventhough neither of us actually knows that it exists or what it is?"
Fighter: "I do."
NPC: "Do you reject good game balance because you accidentally rolled a high Charisma?"
Fighter: "What?"
NPC: "I don't know what it means either."
Fighter: "Oh. Umm, ok I do."
NPC: "In the name of all that is metagamey and broken, accept these better game enhancing mechanics."
Fighter: "These what?"
NPC: "Just get out there and try to fulfill a million different people's notion of good while not violating and part of any of them."
So the system is designed such that every single hit needs to be described to avoid confusion? Here's a scenario. The players are nudists, everybody in the world are nudists, it's not weird, it's totally normal in this land. They are naked and they fight drakes taking damage throughout, but healing up with surges. Later they meet the guy who raised the drakes.
Part 1: I didn't describe any of the hits. What does he see?
Part 2: Lets say I described the drakes as biting the players, yet they healed up. What does he see?
D20 Modern Toon PC Race.
Mecha Pilot's Skill Challenge Emporium.
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6 months ago ::
Dec 01, 2012 - 10:56PM
#147
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Tiefling is a base race right? You can pick your race and your class, RAW is very clear on that, and the tiefling entry specifically confirms that not all tieflings are evil via it's alignment entry. So, I've got RAW saying you can do that.
But that's exactly my point. A Tiefling Paladin is every bit as RAW legal as multiple half-templates. How much sense it does or does not make is irrelevant when discussing RAW. There are explicit rules about picking your race and class, and they do not prohibit this choice. Further more, neither the Paladin class nor the Tiefling race include specific rules to modify the general.
Much the same as the templates argument.
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6 months ago ::
Dec 01, 2012 - 10:56PM
#148
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Prove it. Point to where it says your character is always breathing.
Check out the 3.5 DMG article on the suffocation condition. Since it says what is required for suffocation, it is clear that suffocation can only happen under those conditions. If that's the case, then it can't happen under any other conditions. If it can't happen under any other condition, then your character must be breathing for that time when it can't happen. If not, it would be a contradiction of the rules.
Then again, where in the book does it tell you how to breathe? Where are the rules for that? There are no rules for breathing, so by your interpretation of RAW you cannot breathe. So suffocation rules come into play. Seems to be perfectly in line with your reasoning...
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6 months ago ::
Dec 02, 2012 - 1:20AM
#149
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All of your character die if they exist for more than a minute.
From spontaneous combustion?
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6 months ago ::
Dec 02, 2012 - 2:11AM
#150
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Did anyone actually read my previous two posts on this subject?
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