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7 months ago ::
Nov 30, 2012 - 9:04AM
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The argument is that the BCL feature says that "clerics may switch..." but a multiclass cleric is only a cleric for the purposes of feat and paragonpath prerequisites.
False. The PHB3 updated the wording to:
CLASS-SPECIfIC FEATS Ifyou take a class-specific multiclass feat, you count as a member ofthat class for the purpose of meeting prerequisites.
Full stop. If the only requirement is that you be a member of the class to qualify, an MC feat does it.
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7 months ago ::
Nov 30, 2012 - 9:14AM
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Apr 14, 2010
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The "argument" is that it's frickin' broken and almost certainly an unintended byproduct of the original Battle Cleric article. Consequently many DMs frown upon this. That's the argument for not using it in your build, especially if it's your first serious attempt at CharOp.
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7 months ago ::
Nov 30, 2012 - 9:23AM
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Oct 27, 2011
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Broken? Let's be serious shall we?
I concede BCL can be used to build otherwise impossible things, but in this case? It's a +1AC over Two-Weapon Defense at the same cost, for a character that already has Scale proficiency. Any DM frowning upon BCL for a Fighter may as well ban stuff like Gythzerai Blade Master, it's the same size of benefits over a regular feat.
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7 months ago ::
Nov 30, 2012 - 9:30AM
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Broken? Let's be serious shall we?
I concede BCL can be used to build otherwise impossible things, but in this case? It's a +1AC over Two-Weapon Defense at the same cost, for a character that already has Scale proficiency. Any DM frowning upon BCL for a Fighter may as well ban stuff like Gythzerai Blade Master, it's the same size of benefits over a regular feat.
Don't use stuff, regardless if it makes your character worse, if it is going to 1) not work in the character builder 2) require a very specific reading of the rules 3) going to get stopped by many DMs. I'm not saying it is wrong, that is not an argument I feel is worth having. I'm saying it is in enough of a gray area to just leave it be.
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7 months ago ::
Nov 30, 2012 - 9:31AM
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The argument is that the BCL feature says that "clerics may switch..." but a multiclass cleric is only a cleric for the purposes of feat and paragonpath prerequisites.
False. The PHB3 updated the wording to:
CLASS-SPECIfIC FEATS Ifyou take a class-specific multiclass feat, you count as a member ofthat class for the purpose of meeting prerequisites.
Full stop. If the only requirement is that you be a member of the class to qualify, an MC feat does it.
Then we have to argue on whether that just means an 'feature' (I use the term loosely) that states "Prerequisite: x" or any requirement.
P.s. Matyr, you're clearly here, so get on the irc, I'm bored.
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7 months ago ::
Nov 30, 2012 - 9:33AM
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Take the argument somewhere else. He doesn't even have the feat, so it's completely irrelevant.
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7 months ago ::
Nov 30, 2012 - 11:06AM
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Nothing like Khan to get pissy on someone elses behalf...
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7 months ago ::
Nov 30, 2012 - 11:10AM
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 I'm not pissy. But it's kind of silly for someone to say "I don't even get why there's an argument. It's so clear." and then for everyone to start arguing about it. And it's really not relevant to the build. But don't let me get in the way of your useless and self-serving one-liners. Carry on  .
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7 months ago ::
Nov 30, 2012 - 11:29AM
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Hey now, Zelink's one-liners aren't useless, I mean, why else are we here if not for his witty comments and personality?  Lol! On a serious note, cool build, seems like a fun concept. Glad to see those Drow themes put to use for once.
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7 months ago ::
Nov 30, 2012 - 12:01PM
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When it comes to the argument of MCing Cleric for Battle Cleric's Lore... yeah, I get where that would be a powerful option. But the +1 AC isn't the largest concern for me, at least enough to justify not taking an MC for Stealth Training (such as Rogue) to Stealth within the Cloud.
For the Off-Hand Enhancement, I'm thinking of either downgrading to a Shortsword for a Rhythm Blade, or grab a Weapon of Great Opportunity (got this from the "Black Hole" character page). An Encounter Power which adds 6d8's to one of my OA's is just vicious.
What's the consensus of Two-Weapon Flurry? The -5 to hit is very discerning, but I do have constant CA, which really makes it a -3 on a base accuracy of +37. Is the trade-off worth it? This could easily replace Fist of Night.
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