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6 months ago ::
Nov 30, 2012 - 12:06PM
#41
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Date Joined:
Apr 14, 2010
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On a serious note, cool build, seems like a fun concept. Glad to see those Drow themes put to use for once.
Yeah, about that... Although you mentioned it led you to the build, what does Melee-Magthere Champion actually do for you anyway? The slow on OA is irrelevant since your OA's also flat-out stop their movement, and the rest of the theme is just... eh.
There are some variants of this build. Did you consider a Flail Knight? Knight, Flail Expertise and Lashing Flail makes for an incredibly sticky defender. Having an aura also solves the problem of not being able to mark enemies while sustaining the cloud, and it frees up your paragon path since enemies that shift away from you also take an MBA that prones.
Plus, you get to call it the Dark Knight 
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6 months ago ::
Nov 30, 2012 - 12:20PM
#42
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Date Joined:
Aug 13, 2011
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Yeah, about that... Although you mentioned it led you to the build, what does Melee-Magthere Champion actually do for you anyway? The slow on OA is irrelevant since your OA's also flat-out stop their movement, and the rest of the theme is just... eh.
It does stop their movement, but simply being Proned still allows them to crawl half their speed. I figure most monsters have a base land speed of 6, meaning they can crawl 3. Since the zone is only a Burst 2, they could easily escape the zone by spending two Move Actions. The Slow + Prone prevents escape.
There are some variants of this build. Did you consider a Flail Knight? Knight, Flail Expertise and Lashing Flail makes for an incredibly sticky defender. Having an aura also solves the problem of not being able to mark enemies while sustaining the cloud, and it frees up your paragon path since enemies that shift away from you also take an MBA that prones.
Haha, the Dark Knight would be awesome (especially considering the quote...) but then he wouldn't have access to Agile Superiority, Blade Opportunist, HBO, all that jazz that spices up his Opportunity Attacks. If I could find a way to keep that accuracy and OA utility with a Flail, it would be a smart move.
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6 months ago ::
Nov 30, 2012 - 12:32PM
#43
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What about going with a spiked chain? The multiclass gives it the Light Blade type, so you can take Deft Blade and target Reflex with your opportunity attacks (and all basic attacks).
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6 months ago ::
Nov 30, 2012 - 12:44PM
#44
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Date Joined:
Aug 13, 2011
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What about going with a spiked chain? The multiclass gives it the Light Blade type, so you can take Deft Blade and target Reflex with your opportunity attacks (and all basic attacks).
As a Knight, or within the base class? As a Knight I can see where that would be a good choice.
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6 months ago ::
Nov 30, 2012 - 12:53PM
#45
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As a knight.
Alternatively, if the two weapons aren't absolutely necessary, a Great Weapon Fighter can grab Pinning Challenge in Paragon and simply Immobilize with his OAs and Combat Challenge attacks. But then you'd have to make sure they stay Marked somehow...
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6 months ago ::
Nov 30, 2012 - 1:02PM
#46
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Date Joined:
Aug 13, 2011
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Looking into the Knight Angle...
In the builder, when one has "Agile Armor" equipped, does it take into consideration the +3 Dex Modifier to AC when unbloodied? For example:
Level 30 Drow Knight with a +3 DEX Mod equipped Agile God Plate Armor has 45 AC.
Would this mean it has not factored in the +3, making it 48? Or has it done so already?
This would mean that,
Agile God Plate + 3 Dex + 1 Two-Weapon Defense = 49 AC, not counting Blinded/Total Obscure from the Cloud; which is better.
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6 months ago ::
Nov 30, 2012 - 1:44PM
#47
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Date Joined:
Aug 13, 2011
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I'm really starting to dig the Knight idea, especially with the Aura. Here's the problems I'm running into;
1. OA Accuracy. Deft Blade helps a lot, but I still don't know if it rivals +50 to hit.
2. At-Will Proning. With Defend the Line, I can At-Will Slow, and with World Serpent's Grasp, my next Hit can knock them Prone. But that requires two hits. Say for example,
I have an enemy trapped in my Cloud of Darkness. Now they try to escape, so I provoke an Opportunity Attack. They are slowed, so their movement is now 2... which means that by spending another move action, they can simply exit my zone. I need some way of limiting their movement even while they are slowed.
I can use the Flail Strike feat along with the Power Strike feature, but that has limited uses. Something more reliable.
EDIT:
Looking into the Curseborn Racial PP that was suggested earlier for the Difficult Terrain Cloud of Darkness. This could be a solution, although most of the other powers and features aren't very strong.
Also, do bonuses to Opportunity Attacks (such as Strikebacks) apply to Opportunity Action aura?
Double Edit:
Nevermind, Flail Expertise + Lashing Flail can accomplish this.
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6 months ago ::
Nov 30, 2012 - 3:09PM
#48
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Date Joined:
Oct 28, 2010
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Looking into the Knight Angle...
In the builder, when one has "Agile Armor" equipped, does it take into consideration the +3 Dex Modifier to AC when unbloodied? For example:
Level 30 Drow Knight with a +3 DEX Mod equipped Agile God Plate Armor has 45 AC.
Would this mean it has not factored in the +3, making it 48? Or has it done so already?
This would mean that,
Agile God Plate + 3 Dex + 1 Two-Weapon Defense = 49 AC, not counting Blinded/Total Obscure from the Cloud; which is better.
No, the CB doesn't generally take conditional bonuses like that into account.
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6 months ago ::
Nov 30, 2012 - 3:26PM
#49
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Date Joined:
Aug 13, 2011
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No, the CB doesn't generally take conditional bonuses like that into account.
Awesome. I also didn't factor a +1 in for Plate Proficiency, which makes it 50 Base AC, and 55 with the bonuses from Cloud of Darkness. Monstrous!
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