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Jan 22, 2013 -- 10:35AM, Oma012 wrote:

1- Then you are agree that you gain a separate spellcasting ability with the feat the, arcane one.

Does the Paladin gain seperate spell slots and spells per day progression that comes with a seperate spell casting ability? See if I gained a seperate Wizard's spellcasting ability wouldn't I also get 5 0th level spell slots and 3 1st level spell slots plus bonus spells for high Inteligence?

Oh, I don't gain any spells per day or spell slot progression, I just add the spells?

So it is more that I gain arcane spells to my spell list then that i gain a wizard's spell casting ability.

I have a limited number of spells per day (the same as other paladins) and I can prepare and cast either divine paladin or arcane wizard spells in my daily limit of paladin spells.

So you are providing needlessly complicated and irrelevant rules to a rather simple statement of "You can use your paladin spell slots to prepare wizard spells"

2- Sorry

You should be sorry for being so wrong, appologies accepted Admiral Oma.   

2- Sorry but the book's say "class levels of the class that cast the spell", not "the class that cast the spell",

You should be sorry, because you are lying by misquoting the book. It actaully says "which for most spellcasting characters is...."

Or the rules Compendium which uses which is usually equal to your class level in the class you’re using to cast the spell"

See when you leave those parts out you are misquoting the rules and lying. You are trying to twist a comment about 4 out of 6 (that is most) spellcasting classes, the only rule here is that caster level is based on the class preparing and casting the spell.

So all that can be determined is that the caster level is based on the class preparing and casting the spells. For most classes it is "usually" equal to their class level, but this isn't the case for paladins.
   
Under the Paladin class, he has a limited number of spells slots that he can prepare and cast spells with, using his paladin caster level. the only thing this feat does is add Wizard Arcane spells to those spells that he can prepare and cast in those spell slots. It changes nothing else.

Jan 22, 2013 -- 12:21PM, Oma012 wrote:

  1- you have two Spell List and two Spell Casting abilities but only one class and only one spell slot progression

Ok then you agree that the spells are added to the class spell list then?  

2- I don't lying the books are saying in all her sources that is the almost always your CL is your Class Level in the class that you are using to cast the spell.

Oma, it means no more then that for 2 out of 3 classes this happens to be the case. It doesn't change the simple fact that it clearly states that whatever the case may be that the caster level is determined by the class that prepares and casts the spell.

This means that this always apply unless otherwise noted LIKE IN ALL SPELL CLASS FEATURE THAT DON'T DESCRIBE the CL like the wizard one.

No saying "Caster level is always equal to your class level" would mean that it always applies except when otherwise noted, as this is a specific over general rule. Either way caster level is determined by the class castign the spell and not the type of spell, so the paladin class features apply

Jan 22, 2013 -- 1:09PM, Oma012 wrote:

1- nop you gain other spell List for your feat and this are saying as specific that need be treated as wizard.

So do I gain the spell slots with those spells or use the existing spell slots of the Paladin Class?

Because if I gained the Wizard Spell casting feature it would be written as +1 Wizard Spell Casting Level, just as it is everywhere else and I would gain the spell slots etc etc etc that go with it.

So it comes down again to listing the spells that can be cast from the Paladin spell slots (the spell list)

The list of spells The paladin can now prepare and cast from his paladin spell slots is is Divine Paladin and Arcane Wizard spells, as you've stated the class gains arcane wizard spells.

2- Nop is determined by the Class level, for it your own Spell Class Feature say that your CL are equal to 1/2 your paladin level for your PALADIN SPELLS (the one you cast under your PALADIN CLASS FEATURE SPELLS), again the spells that this feat give you not are PALADIN SPELL AND NOT ARE UNDER YOUR PALADIN SPELL CLASS FEATURE.

The are however added to the paladin's spell list, as arcane spells. Of course that is different from Divine Paladin Spells and doesn't make them "paladin Spells" even though it adds them to his Paladin spell list. Just like Read magic is not a necromancer spell, even though it is on the necromancer spell list. 

They are on the list of spells the class can cast from his spell slots, you  can jump as many hops as you want, but if you listed the spells that the paladin could prepare and cast in his spell slots they would include all paladin and wizard spells.

3- Ok what is the Caster Level of the wizard class???? because is not described, the Usually means that is the standard and the standard always is apply unless otherwise noted like in the case of the Paladin Spell Class Feature.

This is easy to answer. How many levels in the wizard class does he have?

none? He has zero levels in Wizard, so he cannot have a "wizard caster level" It is as simple as that.

Well then what class is casting the spells?

The paladin  class is casting the spells. So it uses caster level of the class casting the spell. 

As for the "standard rule" the standard rule is that it uses the "class that is preparing and casting the spell"   to determine caster level, the Paladin class notes the caster level used by the Paladin class. So it is otherwise noted what the caster level of the class is.

Again it is not determined by the type of spell, but rather the caster of the spell.

Find one place where it says that caster level is determined by the type of spell being cast Oma.

Epic failure, as always.   You are so desperate to be right that you can't see the forest for the trees.