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5 months ago ::
Jan 16, 2013 - 2:11PM
#531
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Oma, do you realise who idiotic what you just said was. if I knew spanish i would translate that back for you so you could hear the gibberish.
A spell slot is clearly defined as being how many spells a class can cast daily "openings for daily spells are called spell slots" If a Paladin casts one of his daily spells then he uses his caster level, it is as simple as that.
The caster level is also clearly defined that you use the caster level of the class "casting" the spell. In this case the paladin is casting one of his daily spells. (casting from a paladin spell slot)
Oma, seriously, this is laid out in clear, simple english, and you clearly do not have enough command in the language to be defining it to native speakers. That is not an insult, having a second language is great, but understand that you are not as fluent in the language as you may think. you are demonstrating that you are completely incapable of understanding these rules.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 16, 2013 - 2:21PM
#532
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Date Joined:
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Oma, do you realise who idiotic what you just said was. if I knew spanish i would translate that back for you so you could hear the gibberish.
A spell slot is clearly defined as being how many spells a class can cast daily "openings for daily spells are called spell slots" If a Paladin casts one of his daily spells then he uses his caster level, it is as simple as that.
The caster level is also clearly defined that you use the caster level of the class "casting" the spell. In this case the paladin is casting one of his daily spells. (casting from a paladin spell slot)
Oma, seriously, this is laid out in clear, simple english, and you clearly do not have enough command in the language to be defining it to native speakers. That is not an insult, having a second language is great, but understand that you are not as fluent in the language as you may think. you are demonstrating that you are completely incapable of understanding these rules.
yes what have to do the CLASS that you use to cast the spells and the Daily Spells that you can cast from this class?????
The caster level only the class and yes as normal each spell you cast from that class are in your spell slot.
Now the feat you had only say that you can prepare wizard spells using you current paladin spells slots, you only apply this to the standard, all other factors work normally.
The feat never say that you use your paladin caster level or that the spell are add to your paladin spell list, then we are agree that are wizard spells and are arcane spells with ASF.
Now this spells use a CL (wizard caster level) that is not defined, you are saying that the rule say that you use your current caster level in the class that you are using to cast the spell while the standard say that you use the current class level in the class that you are using to cast the spell.
Then if this in all facts work as a wizard spell you use the Paladin Caster level??? if you use it then this means that the spell is divine and are a paladin spell.
Pepe pecas pica papas con un pico con un pico pepe pecas pica papas si pepe pecas pica papas con un pico donde esta el pico con que pepe pecas pica papas.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 16, 2013 - 3:14PM
#533
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Okay, Oma...if a Paladin gains access to a Wizard's spell list (as it seems through this feat), please point out where it says that the character uses its level (which is equal to its HD).
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5 months ago ::
Jan 16, 2013 - 3:29PM
#534
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Okay, Oma...if a Paladin gains access to a Wizard's spell list (as it seems through this feat), please point out where it says that the character uses its level (which is equal to its HD).
Caster Level: A spell’s power often depends on caster level, which is defined as the caster’s class level for the purpose of casting a particular spell. A creature with no classes has a caster level equal to its Hit Dice unless otherwise specified. The word “level” in the spell lists that follow always refers to caster level.
The paladin has no classes for the purpose of casting the wizard spells that he got for the feat.
If some ability let you use spells form other spell list this ability need to say you what is the CL of this spells in this case not are defined the standard is use the Class Level of the Class that is used to cast the spell not the CL that use the Class that is used to cast the spell.
Pepe pecas pica papas con un pico con un pico pepe pecas pica papas si pepe pecas pica papas con un pico donde esta el pico con que pepe pecas pica papas.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 16, 2013 - 3:41PM
#535
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Therein lies your problem, Oma...you seem to be adding words to the phrase "A creature with no classes has a caster level equal to its Hit Dice unless otherwise specified." Your Paladin (with the feat) has a class (ya know...levels in Paladin)...therefore, you'd use some other way of deciding caster level and the only other way is by using your Paladin caster level.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 16, 2013 - 3:46PM
#536
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Therein lies your problem, Oma...you seem to be adding words to the phrase "A creature with no classes has a caster level equal to its Hit Dice unless otherwise specified." Your Paladin (with the feat) has a class (ya know...levels in Paladin)...therefore, you'd use some other way of deciding caster level and the only other way is by using your Paladin caster level.
then how you put the Caster level form the new wizard spells??? if none of the rules is overwhelming???
as normal the feat need say the CL of this new spells like other examples.
Pepe pecas pica papas con un pico con un pico pepe pecas pica papas si pepe pecas pica papas con un pico donde esta el pico con que pepe pecas pica papas.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 16, 2013 - 3:54PM
#537
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Since the spells come from your Paladin spell slots (and not Wizard spell slots), you'd use your Paladin CL. Simple as that.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 16, 2013 - 4:05PM
#538
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Apr 25, 2011
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Since the spells come from your Paladin spell slots (and not Wizard spell slots), you'd use your Paladin CL. Simple as that.
no one rule say it, you are using your own discretion.
The main rule don't cover this unatural excepción.
is the same as saying "Since the spells are cast form the paladin class, you use the paladin class level as CL"
as normal when this happen you need to use the standard.
the standard for Caster level under the player handbook is : Class level in the class you're using to cast the spell.
Pepe pecas pica papas con un pico con un pico pepe pecas pica papas si pepe pecas pica papas con un pico donde esta el pico con que pepe pecas pica papas.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 16, 2013 - 9:16PM
#539
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as normal when this happen you need to use the standard.
the standard for Caster level under the player handbook is : Class level in the class you're using to cast the spell.
As I pointed out previously (with the Practiced Spellcaster example), that standard actually means that a spell uses the caster level of the class that casts the spell.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 16, 2013 - 10:59PM
#540
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By using the Wizard spell list, you add those spells to those already known as a Warmage might gain a spell with their Advanced Learning class feature. The spell that is now on your list is cast as a spell of that level from your list, not as a spell of that level would be cast from wherever the spell was pilfered from.
Eg. A Warmage could apply Warmage Edge to any spell they cast, reguardless of if it was originaly part of their list or if it was gained due to Advanced Learning.
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