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Dec 31, 2012 -- 11:39PM, Oma012 wrote:

 if some class give you thats spells to your paladin spell list then it work because the feat only affect your spells of paladin.

And there is the difference Oma, and is why you are so willing to exploit Feats like Nymph's Kiss, have your Slowed Mount, Ready a Charge so you can make a Charge Attack in the middle of a Full Round Attack (Attack, Charge, Attack, Attack) Because you aren't looking at these rules in context, balance, or Rules as Intended, and instead look to Exploit them and twist their meaning in any way possible, even taking a half sentence in an obscure FAQ out of context and insisting it overwrites the pages of Published Rules. Why you would insist that the rules for UMD overwrites the rules for Scrolls.

Yes, RAW, you could call these Paladin Spells, and consider them Divine Paladin spells for the purpose of many feats, simply because it doesn't say that you can't do this. And it is an easy conclusion to reach if you read it with a mind to exploit the rules rather then to understand them. Ignore the description as "fluff" , misquote an obscure FAQ out of context, outright dismiss rules that contradict it as "nope, doesn't apply"

Read the same rule in context, with RAI (Rules as Intended) in mind, rather then seeking to exploit the wording and rules, and you will come up with an entirely different conclusion.

Rules as Intended makes it clear, even if Rules as Written could be taken the other way.  The Spells are Arcane Spells that the Paladin has to prepare from a spell book, so while it allows the Paladin to prepare Wizard spells in his Paladin spell slots, it doesn't add these spells to the Paladin's Divine spell list (since they are still arcane spells) but rather gives the Paladin a second, seperate, Arcane Wizard Spell list.

They are two sperate Spell lists, so even though the arcane spells can be cast from the Paladin's spell slots, they are not Paladin spells (ie I have both the Divine and the Arcane versions of spells like Detect Undead)

RAI, Battle Blessing was intended to effect spells on the Paladin Spell list only, not the Spell lists a Paladin might gain from other sources (such as prestige classes) That these feats come from different books and may not have taken such their combination with each other into account.

  

Jan 1, 2013 -- 5:35PM, Slagger_the_Chuul wrote:

Jan 1, 2013 -- 5:09PM, draco1119 wrote:

Would someone be so kind as to translate that last post from gibberish to English?

"The paladin's favoured enemy option fits with their code of conduct through its focus on appropriate enemies, such as undead, and it's really no different to using a weapon ability that harms a specific type of enemy (such as the bane, lawful, or holy abilities).

Use Magic Device defines its own rules by allowing non-spellcasters to use items that normally require spellcasting, and it's more specific than the general rules.

The feat only allows you to cast actual paladin spells (not just any divine spell), so it will only work if you're using your paladin spell slots and caster level.  The feat may allow you to stack your caster levels, but it doesn't make wizard spells into paladin spells, so Battle Blessing won't work with it."

As least, that would be my reading of it (sorry in advance if I've read something wrong there, Oma).

very well thanks and happy new year

the only extra is that the part of the UMD i talk about the rule of "specific over general" too
as example as general you can't use fear effect on undeads as specific you can use rebucke undead to cowering undeads as fear effect then specific overlap general