Maneuvers & stances are all in ToB. The ones Tempest chose are Devoted Spirit & White Raven disciplines. I'm guessing the reason you take UT 1 is that there are fewer prereqs and/or that UT has class skills or something similar that helps with Legacy Champion prereqs.
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Maneuvers & stances are all in ToB. The ones Tempest chose are Devoted Spirit & White Raven disciplines.
"ToB" is the Tome of Battle, Shinigami, if you're not up on our abbreviations.
I picked White Raven's Douse the Flames there not because the maneuver's useful at all (well, it is, just not for you) but rather because it gave Diplomacy as a class skill from level 1. You can use that with a binder's pact with Naberius (which you'll be taking to protect yourself as a hellfire warlock later anyway) and the warlock's Beguiling Influence invocation to become a pretty powerful public speaker and negotiator at a low level. You don't need to invest anything extra besides that in order to remain your party's spokesman even as you focus on your hellfire. And besides, the charismatic fiend is a staple of fiction (ever read Faust?)
The Devoted Spirit maneuvers are there for Thicket of Blades, a lynchpin of the "AoO Tank" style of play, which that particular glaivelock build uses in an unusual manner (normally, AoO tanks focus on getting AoOs in response to everything their opponents do, and spend those attacks to prevent their opponents from doing it. You just use those attacks as extra chances to smack with a nearly 30d6 glaive.) For more information on this style of play, I wrote an introduction to it here (click the spoiler block at the bottom). A good AoO tank is a fun and very useful way to play a melee warrior in 3.5, and it isn't entirely obvious to new players that such a character is even possible.
I'm guessing the reason you take UT 1 is that there are fewer prereqs and/or that UT has class skills or something similar that helps with Legacy Champion prereqs.
There's many reasons for this. It's not harder to qualify for, but it works best if you take UT first. Uncanny Trickster has all skills as class skills, and Legacy Champion's class skills consist of a small list of skills, plus any class skills from all of your other classes. Put 'em together and you get Factotum-grade skill lists, albeit with less Int synergy and fewer base skill points.
Also, taking Uncanny Trickster 1 and Legacy Champion 1 before you can qualify for your PrC (here, Hellfire, which requires 12 ranks in a specific skill - and Legacy Champion requires Character Level 10, so I think I botched the timing a bit here) allows you to enter your PrC right on schedule, and then continue to advance it afterwards without any delays (since you crossed those non-advancing levels on your way to the PrC). You finish Hellfire as early as possible, and then take UT 2, which advances Hellfire right away instead of having to wait a level while you take UT 1.
I openly admit that the build suggested there is subpar; it's just there as an example.
Finally, HappyShinigami, I would strongly suggest avoiding things like bloodlines or even hellfire warlock if you're this new to the game. Certain things require a degree of familiarity with the rules in order to work, or work well, and those are among them.
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There's many reasons for this. It's not harder to qualify for, but it works best if you take UT first. Uncanny Trickster has all skills as class skills, and Legacy Champion's class skills consist of a small list of skills, plus any class skills from all of your other classes. Put 'em together and you get Factotum-grade skill lists, albeit with less Int synergy and fewer base skill points.
It doesn't quite have all skills as class skills; it lacks Concentration, Diplomacy, Handle Animal, Heal, Knowledge, Ride, Speak Language, Spellcraft, and Survival, in addition to any of the skills that aren't on the general list (like Autohypnosis). The Uncanny Trickster has a good list, but not a complete one.
It's not really a case of needing the specific skills; the base warlock class gives you the class skills you need for the Hellfire Warlock, and the level in binder gives you some Knowledge (history) for the Legacy Champion. It's certainly nice to have some extra skills available, but it's not an absolute requirement.
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Ty for all the advice. I understood nost of what you saod before you saidbit temp but thank you for breaking it down :-) just wanted to make sure these were the best choices and why people thought they were so I can back them up if i ever had to explain why I did this. Isntead of saying I got it from a article I now know :-) I assumed ut was just for skills. And I do like diplomacy it fits with yk chars attitude
As a warlock you have one of the most valuable skills in the game, Use Magic Device, you can get your hands on, and readily use all sorts of magical wands, scrolls and staves, and be the healer when not busy stabbing people to death with eldritch power.
