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7 months ago  ::  Nov 25, 2012 - 7:02PM #1
trickelders
Date Joined: Jun 18, 2010
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I've been tinkering around with a potential build for a Hybrid Rogue|Warlock, but the concept is so simple that I assume someone else must have tried it and either it isn't worth it or it's posted somewhere on this board and I can't find it.

My idea was to use Hybrid Warlock to pick up Shadow Walk, then combine it with Hidden Sniper to have a ranged Hybrid Rogue who always has CA against any target just by moving 3 squares to pick up partial concealment.  Halfling is looking like a pretty good race choice because they have bonus to Dex and choice of Con or Cha, which just happen to be the choice of Warlock stats.  Co-primary Dex and Cha, then pump Con for saves.  Or Dex and Con, then pump Wis or Cha for saves.

I found including Con at some level was nice becaused it worked well with my planned solution for implement -- MC into Monk for a skill, Ki Focus, and while there get Iron Soul 1/enc as an escape from an enemy in my face.  Attack another target to proc Iron Soul, which being No Action should occur before the OA, and since the adjacent enemy is not the original target get to shut down their OA against the ranged attack and any OA from then moving 3+ squares to proc Shadow Walk.

Would something like this actually work, or am I just wasting my time?  And if it might work, what pacts should I consider? Thanks.
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7 months ago  ::  Nov 25, 2012 - 7:11PM #2
mellored
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If you multiclass assassin, you can still get shadow walk and keep your hybrid talent for say... cunning sneak.  Now you have perma-stealth for an extra feat.

I also like pixies better, but halflings work fine.
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7 months ago  ::  Nov 25, 2012 - 7:30PM #3
trickelders
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MC (or Hybrid) Assassin is probably the better option, but I have to avoid Dragon due to DM restrictions.

But Pixie definately sounds like something I should consider.
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7 months ago  ::  Nov 25, 2012 - 8:45PM #4
erachima
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If your DM blocks dragon, being a Warlock is flat-out not for you.
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7 months ago  ::  Nov 25, 2012 - 10:34PM #5
Matyr
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Nov 25, 2012 -- 8:45PM, erachima wrote:

If your DM blocks dragon, being a Warlock is flat-out not for you.




If your DM blocks dragon being a DM is not for him.

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7 months ago  ::  Nov 26, 2012 - 6:34AM #6
Scatterbrained
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There are a lot of ways to get CA. I wouldn't go this route if you can't access Dragon. But yeah, it's a nice combo if you have some mobility.
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7 months ago  ::  Nov 26, 2012 - 3:09PM #7
windgate
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The Warlock hybrid just seems to be more complicated than necessary if you are going cunning sneak.....



Cunning Sneak Rogue:
You don’t take a penalty to Stealth checks for moving more than 2 squares, and you take a –5 penalty instead of a -10 penalty to Stealth checks for running.
If you end your movement at least 3 squares away from your starting position, you can make a Stealth check to become hidden if you have any concealment or any cover, except for cover provided by intervening allies.


Hidden = Combat Advantage 


Armor of Dark DeedsLevel 14+ Uncommon


Swirling with shadows, this armor masks you from your enemies.

Lvl 14 +3 21,000 gp Lvl 24 +5 525,000 gp
Lvl 19 +4 105,000 gp Lvl 29 +6 2,625,000 gp

Armor: Leather or hide


Enhancement Bonus: AC


Property


When you attack an enemy that is granting combat advantage to you, you gain concealment until the end of your next turn.



 


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7 months ago  ::  Nov 27, 2012 - 5:37AM #8
thespaceinvader
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That works fine, but it's high level, and ranged attacks only - Ranged Rogues are quite awkward to work.

Also, see Hidden Sniper, which gives you CA for ranged attacks if you have any concealment from the target.
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7 months ago  ::  Nov 27, 2012 - 7:13AM #9
trickelders
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Nov 27, 2012 -- 5:37AM, thespaceinvader wrote:

That works fine, but it's high level, and ranged attacks only - Ranged Rogues are quite awkward to work.

Also, see Hidden Sniper, which gives you CA for ranged attacks if you have any concealment from the target.




Lol, that was the whole point of my OP.  Shadow Walk for concealment, Hidden Sniper for constant CA.  SA dice without even trying much.

Besides, the entire campaign will take place in Heroic. 

Looks like I need to search for different gimmicks based on feedback, though.

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