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7 months ago ::
Nov 19, 2012 - 2:51PM
#21
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Oct 28, 2010
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Gouge > all if you really want to be an effective charger. Rapier is surprisingly good too, for a class which doesn;t care all that much about its [W].
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7 months ago ::
Nov 19, 2012 - 3:16PM
#22
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Date Joined:
Nov 16, 2007
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Gouge is best if you can swing a 17 Dex and a fighter MC. If not, I don't think it's all that much better than other options out there. If you're fighter hybrid, then a 15 dex would be sufficient to make it worthwhile for a charge, trip up, and RoB with Headsman's Chop combo. But then you're building a Str/Cha Blackguard|Fighter, and are already much much better than a pure Blackguard.
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7 months ago ::
Nov 19, 2012 - 4:04PM
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Date Joined:
Aug 31, 2009
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Falchion isn't too bad either with Turathi Weapon Training.
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7 months ago ::
Nov 19, 2012 - 4:32PM
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Date Joined:
May 24, 2009
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Tiefling, 20 starting Charisma post racial, imperious majesty, rapier & shield. If not playing out these characters for very long fey beast tamer. If playing deep into paragon or beyond try black-hearted knave with arena champion for quick and dirty double tap virtuous strike. If at all possible, convince the player to be open to hybrids. If it's an RP/character concept concern, executioner is a nice thematic pairing that will add a second striker mechanic to virtuous strike. Regardless, if he sticks with Blackguard and virtuous strike, I highly recommened renaming the power to Not-So-Virtuous strike 
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7 months ago ::
Nov 19, 2012 - 6:53PM
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Date Joined:
Jun 15, 2010
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Yea 21CHA and Ironically Virtuous Strike is much reliable then STR Dominator blackguard.
You mentioned Sorcerers. Hybrid them with Blackguards can work, but it is a rather feat starved approach. Using the concepts above we start with 21 CHA. as a hybrid blackguard, you get any pali at will of your choice. Thus you get Virtuous Strike. As a Sorcerer, you choose what bonus to get for damage, STR or DEX. Either one, you are going to want 16 in, which nets you a +8 damage to all Sorcerer attacks. For an at-will, I'd say Burning Spray, but if you want a RBA, Acid Orb is a fine choice. I will assume we want to use Dex.
You are gonna want some Armor. Hybrid Talent Paladin Armor gives you armor prof all the way to Plate. Your stock implement is a Holy Symbol. Using a Holy Symbol to use a flame thrower is kinda awesome and fits the character perfectly. You could go Arcane Impliment Prof: Heavy or Light blade but you should get Versitile Expertise so your +1 feat bonus will apply to both Impliment and Weapon attacks. Edit: If anyone knows how to make arcane impliment attacks through a spear, i would be forever grateful.
When you add magic weapons to the mix, you Sorcerer attacks should be somewhere around +11 (5+3+2+1) for 1d6+8 damage in a close blast 3 for Burning Spray. Sadly you may not combine Paladin powers with Sorcerer powers, and your looking at your first 3 feats getting used up. Also, Tieflings could not acheive 21Cha/16Dex before level 7.
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7 months ago ::
Nov 19, 2012 - 8:26PM
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Date Joined:
Jun 19, 2004
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Honestly Mr. Virus I think the only person who mentioned sorcerers was you and you kee going on about it... (There was as little talk of a sorc MC, but then the OP specifically states no hybrids)
As far as the weapon. Yes I think that normally Gouge is better, but I don't see this build being effective, getting fighter or rogue and 17 dex to capitalize on how good that is. With that in mind I just looked to weapon enchants. Admittedly I thought it was avalanche that had the daily power and not vanguard, so that makes it much closer, but what it turns into is this (for just the weapon):
+2 at 4d6b1 on a charge
+2 at 2d6b1+1d8 on a charge + Daily power
+3 at 1d12+1d8 on a charge + Daily power
I personally like the 4d6b1 on a charge for a new player because it seems so strong for the person weilding it. Other than that, the daily power of vanguard on a cha primary character is amazing, I would probably pick it if I was piloting the build.
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7 months ago ::
Nov 20, 2012 - 5:53PM
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Date Joined:
Jun 15, 2010
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Hey no sorc is fine.
Also, see DPR Kings 3.0, lvl 6 Human Blackguard by ZombieJ. Pretty much exactly whats in this thread. Link to post: http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/22105109/DPR_King_Candidates_2.0&post_num=1409#506662581
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