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7 months ago ::
Nov 18, 2012 - 9:00AM
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Somehow I find it pretty odd, that you can roll for abilities of 18 but are only allowed to buy up to stats of 15. That means a "rolled" human can go for one ability of 21 value, while with point buy it's not possible.
I don't see any reason in this, especially as no rule forbids you to reroll your abilities if you don't like the result.
If people can roll for 18s + racial, class, etc bonus, why shouldn't they buy them as well?
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7 months ago ::
Nov 18, 2012 - 9:18AM
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Huh... If no rule forbids it that has got to be the most house ruled thing in D&D...
I think the idea is that rolling gives a nice bell curve. Point buy sits just below the top of the bell curve as a safe but not optimal choice where as rolling gives the ability to get lucky and get above average stats but also the ability to end up messing yourself up and having very poor stats.
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7 months ago ::
Nov 18, 2012 - 9:31AM
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What you say even holds true also with the previous point buy models. So I do not understand, why they even further screw the point buy by denying access to ability scores higher than 15.
Further the point buy system has always had one advantage over the roll. In a 6-player party there will usually be at least one guy being jealous over other players if he rolls worse. The point buy eliminates that problem.
And you do not need a house rule to reroll ALL your ability rolls completely if you don't like them.
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7 months ago ::
Nov 18, 2012 - 12:38PM
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Point buy has always been a more stable, but subpar option to rolling. But the amount point buy allows is all based what the "average" stats they expect a character to have. A character in 5e is considered to have lower stats on average than a 4e character, so the point buy has been adjusted accordingly.
Also on your comment about balance, this is 100% correct and why I use point buy almost every time. But characters should not be able to use point buy and get optimal stats. That makes rolling a completely inferior option and no one would ever choose it. You can't have your cake and eat it too I'm afraid.
My two copper.
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7 months ago ::
Nov 18, 2012 - 1:34PM
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If so, then at least the methods of rolling should be a little more comfortable, like they did with Pathfinder.
There you got similar options as in D&D 3.5 and you also have got the option to throw 24d6, remove the lowest 6 dices and with the remaining 18 you determine your ability scores. You can combine them how you like, but you can only combine 3 dices per ability score and each dice out of those 18 can only be used used once.
For Epic Fantasy they even suggest rolling 28 dices, so you can remove the lowest 10 before determining your ability scores.
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7 months ago ::
Nov 18, 2012 - 1:43PM
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Anybody know the average to 4D6, drop the lowest for scores? What if the average for rolling is significantly higher than the array or point buy systems?
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7 months ago ::
Nov 18, 2012 - 1:48PM
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Anybody know the average to 4D6, drop the lowest for scores? What if the average for rolling is significantly higher than the array or point buy systems?
I seem to recall they were equal in 4e.. .see 5e in a fit of nostalgia wants to encourage random goo.
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7 months ago ::
Nov 18, 2012 - 1:55PM
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Anybody know the average to 4D6, drop the lowest for scores? What if the average for rolling is significantly higher than the array or point buy systems?
The average of 4d6 drop 1 is ~12.24. (3d6 is 10.5).
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7 months ago ::
Nov 18, 2012 - 2:02PM
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Anybody know the average to 4D6, drop the lowest for scores? What if the average for rolling is significantly higher than the array or point buy systems?
I did not mean the "6x4d6, drop the lowest of scores" variant
I meant the "24/28x6, drop the lowest of scores and then combine the dices as you see fit" variant.
That really makes a difference as you can select the dices as you like. With the old variant you could have rolled for example 5 times a 6 within 4 different 4d6 rolls out of those 6x4d6, so they would be in 4 different abilites. With the other you could combine them and put them into only 2 abilities (3x6 (18) and 2x6+x (12+x)).
I think that would encourage people more to choose rolling as they still have some more influence over their abilities, yet they still need some luck.
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7 months ago ::
Nov 18, 2012 - 3:24PM
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Putting a whole bunch of different rolling methods into the playtest takes up valuable space I would prefer to be reserved for anything else.
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