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7 months ago ::
Nov 17, 2012 - 9:23PM
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A simple question: Is rakshasa naztharune race a balanced race to play with?
Monter manual 3
If yes: Reasons?
If not: How would you balance it? More/less ecl +/- race levels? And reasons pls
Thanks guys!
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7 months ago ::
Nov 17, 2012 - 11:01PM
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Does it have an entry at the end called "X as characters" and/or provide a Level Adjustment (LA)? If not, then it is not appropriate as a PC race. I believe the Natyan Rakshasa from ToB is playable, though.
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7 months ago ::
Nov 18, 2012 - 2:57AM
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Well, i just take a look at it and it has HD 11 + 5 LA, and instead of spells it has some Roguish abilities, so i really don't think it's good.
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7 months ago ::
Nov 18, 2012 - 6:24AM
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May 26, 2012
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How would you balance it?
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7 months ago ::
Nov 18, 2012 - 1:50PM
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Looking at some of the things google turns up on it I'm thinking it may be a touch too good for use as a PC which is a departure from most monsters. But then again wasn't MM3 filled with 3.0 content which could be too strong if directly converted into 3.5 terms without actually making any corrections? With what I saw I think it maybe should have another pont of level adjustment because Outsider HD are pretty strong by themselves.
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7 months ago ::
Nov 20, 2012 - 1:54PM
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It's relatively balanced-- taking a comparison of the Naztharune with a Changeling Rogue 12/Shadowdancer 4 (far from the most optimized rogue you can put together, but approximately what they were attempting with the naztharune) you get a pretty even mix of abilities and almost 1:1 comparison on the rogue-like abilities:
Changeling Rogue 12/Shadowdancer 4 vs Naztharune Rakshasa
- BAB - +12 vs +11 (attack bonus equivalent to +16 with Finesse)
- Saves - +5/+12/+5 vs +11/+12/+7
- HP - 16d6 (56 + 16*Con) vs 11d8 (49.5 + 11*(Con + 4))
- Skills - 19*7.5 + Int Bonus vs 14*8 + (Int + 2)*14
- Feats - 6 Feats vs 4 Feats
- Special - Sneak Attack +6d6 vs 6d6
- Trapfinding vs Detect Thoughts
- Spell Reflection vs SR 21 + class levels
- Mutable Body (50% F) vs DR 15/good and piercing
- Penetrating Strike vs 2 claws
- I. Uncanny Dodge (16) vs Improved Uncanny Dodge (11)
- Improved Evasion vs Improved Evasion
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- Hide in Plain Sight vs Hide in Plain Sight
- Evasion vs Evasion
- Darkvision vs Darkvision
- Uncanny Dodge vs Uncanny Dodge
- Shadow Illusion ---
- Summon Shadow ---
- Shadow Jump 20 ft. vs Shadow Jump 20 ft.
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- Lesser Change Shape vs Change Shape
- --- vs +5 natural armor
Naztharune Wins (attack bonus, saves, hp; detect thoughts, SR, DR, stats; change shape, natural armor) Rogue Wins (skills, feats; penetrating strike, improved uncanny dodge, shadow illusion, summon shadow) The areas where there are clear advantages are in the stat bonuses and natural armor (primarily giving advantage in the AC area), the DR, SR, and to a lesser extent the detect thoughts and change shape. On the other hand, the rogue has the advantage in feats, skills, and in a number of special abilities. I would say the Naztharune has the advantage, but it isn't necessarily going to be worth another level of level adjustment. Particularly if you put it up against something like a Swordsage instead of a Rogue/Shadowdancer-- defensively it is still going to be skewed towards the Naztharune, but the Swordsage will have a pretty clear offensive advantage. As far as the Monster Manual 3 is concerned, that book is solidly 3.5. Fiend Folio is probably the one that you're thinking of-- they had put in place a lot of the 3.5 changes at that point, but hadn't made the full transition.
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7 months ago ::
Nov 20, 2012 - 2:47PM
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If I think on it more isn't MM2 3.0 content? The Fiend Folio may also be 3.0 but I distinctly recall that not all the supplemental MMs were 3.5. I just didn't remember where 3.5 content started.
Now Balthanon's comparison is pretty good and shows that it is nearly balanced if not sufficently balanced. I did say it should maybe have another point of LA but how much that would be needed could depend on how you play the game.
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7 months ago ::
Nov 20, 2012 - 3:00PM
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Monster Manual 2 was purely 3.0. For the most part from a DMs perspective it's usuable as is (though monsters are going to be a touch weaker typically because they'll have fewer feats and the like), but for a player to use them they'll need the 3.5 update. (Which is also where most of the level adjustments come from.)
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7 months ago ::
Nov 21, 2012 - 10:18AM
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May 26, 2012
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Balthanon comparison is amazing and it show perfectly the strong points vs the weak points, I´m totally agree with it and you helped me here. Thats all I need, thanks!
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6 months ago ::
Dec 03, 2012 - 12:17PM
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+1 to Balthanon's chart.
3.0e Rakshasha has a racial class in Savage Species.
Playable from the start, and has the juicy spell immunity.
Needs a custom item against Blessed crossbow bolts.
Not a whole lot of choices involved, though.
You could flavor it toward the Naztharune stuff.
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