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6 months ago ::
Nov 17, 2012 - 10:45AM
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CharOp Question/challenge: At what level can a character go 1-on-1 with a solo?
Hi there. I'm a long time lurker, first question poster.
Sorry in advance if this question has been answered before - based on practical tactics and/or pure DPR, at which level & class can a character go 1-on-1 with an at-level solo (post-MM3 monster math)?
Other parameters:
Estimated rounds to kill solo: about round 5 (give or take a round)
Default solo: Young red dragon, 332 hp.
Fighting venue: An almost featureless 30 by 30 squares arena with a low ceiling of 8 squares high, very little DT and cover.
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6 months ago ::
Nov 17, 2012 - 10:56AM
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It is possible at every level. Usually in one round. The class will keep changing though, depending on what you're exploiting.
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6 months ago ::
Nov 17, 2012 - 11:44AM
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Date Joined:
Feb 26, 2011
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Though lets be honest, its entirely dependent on the solo, and entirely pointless in game since a solo is supposed to be coupled with terrain/minions/standards to make a battle ineteresting and challenging for a group, not a single PC.
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6 months ago ::
Nov 17, 2012 - 3:55PM
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Date Joined:
Sep 17, 2007
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Speaking from practical experience and assuming no one-round-kill gimmicks, level 18 was the earliest I managed this. Prior to that I managed to duel several solos successfully, but not kill them - whereas at that level I managed to deplete the solo's entire HP stock alone, with it only surviving because the DM decided to have him spend multiple healing surges (and thus gain an extra 450 HP...)
Mountain Cleave Rule: You can have any sort of fun, including broken, silly fun, so long as I get to have that fun too (e. g., if you can warp reality with your spells, I can cleave mountains with my blade).
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6 months ago ::
Nov 17, 2012 - 4:02PM
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Date Joined:
Oct 23, 2012
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what's the lowest level character that can solo a young red dragon and expect to win most of the time?
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6 months ago ::
Nov 17, 2012 - 4:52PM
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Date Joined:
Oct 28, 2010
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With what chance of success? Any character can go solo against any monster; and can, with enough luck, beat it (with the exception of those epic monsters who are immune: anyone below level 21), and conversely, any character can go solo against any monster, and with enough ill luck, be killed.
This is a meaningless question without more parameters.
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6 months ago ::
Nov 17, 2012 - 5:42PM
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Date Joined:
Oct 23, 2012
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With what chance of success? Any character can go solo against any monster; and can, with enough luck, beat it (with the exception of those epic monsters who are immune: anyone below level 21), and conversely, any character can go solo against any monster, and with enough ill luck, be killed.
This is a meaningless question without more parameters.
50/50 is fine
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6 months ago ::
Nov 17, 2012 - 5:56PM
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Date Joined:
Feb 26, 2011
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That...wasn't helpful
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6 months ago ::
Nov 17, 2012 - 6:12PM
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Date Joined:
Oct 23, 2012
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1. make a character of any level you want and with items worth no more than the char-op standard for that level (no consumables)
2. have that character fight the level 7 young red dragon from monster vault
3. if that character wins at least half the time, it satisfies the requirements
the lowest level character that can do that wins
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6 months ago ::
Nov 18, 2012 - 8:14AM
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Perma-stealth human @ level 2 probably could.
Unkillable revenant kick in next around level 6.
Then there will be a few other tricks by 11.
Possibly damage Nova it by 16.
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