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8 months ago  ::  Nov 16, 2012 - 5:46PM #11
Caker
Date Joined: Jun 15, 2012
Posts: 154
Taking a hand off of a weapon is a free action as well, so you can still feel free to punch them in the face. Unarmed strikes are simple weapons that you wield at all times as an off-hand weapon (technically).
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8 months ago  ::  Nov 16, 2012 - 6:30PM #12
Tempest_Stormwind
Date Joined: Jun 20, 2004
Posts: 4,889
You don't need to go that far. It's called a "kick".
Cancer prognosis: I am now cancer-free.

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These are NOT all my creations! The lead authors are identified as follows:
[TS] Tempest Stormwind, [AR] Andarious Rosethorn, [RT] Radical Taoist, [SN] Sionnis, [DH] DisposableHero_, [SH] Seishi.

[TS] The Pinball Brothers: Large And In Charge (Melee, Lockdown, Charge, Juggling)
[TS] Ashardalon Reborn: I Will Swallow Your Soul (Melee, Fear, Negative Levels, AoE, Theme)
[AR] "A"-Game Paladin: Play That Funky Music, Knight Boy! (Team Support, Melee, Theme, Single-Class)
[RT] Uncanny Trapsmith: Get in, make it look like an accident, get out. (Skillmonkey, Stealth/Scout/Infiltration, Unorthodox Methods, Theme)
[AR] Wizsassin: *Everything* is permitted. (Spellcaster, Support, Sneak Attack, Utility)
[TS] Phantom Rush: General Gish Gouda. (Gish, Theme, Setting-Specific(Eberron), Early-Entry PrC)
[TS] Storm Knight: Another kind of gish. (Melee/"Gish", Theme, Setting-Specific(Eberron), Unorthodox Methods)
[TS] Inevitable Nightmare: The weapon you only have to fire once. (Melee, "Unorthodox" Methods (no charging), Reliability)
[AR] Captain Constitution: The number one threat to America. (Melee, TOUGHTOUGHTOUGH, Defense, Theme)
[AR] Nuker: I casts the spells that makes the peoples fall down! (Spellcaster, damage, blasting, damage)
[TS] Dread Lord of the Dead: Let the Reaping Begin! (NPC-only, Variable (combat/casting/leadership), Iconic Villain, Theme)
[AR] Heavy Crusader: No Rest. No Mercy. No Matter What. (Melee, Damage (No charging), Variable, Theme).
[TS] Gun Fu: It's bullet time (Ranged, THEORETICAL, Twin weapons, Theme)
[RT] Face First: We should talk. (Psionic, social, mind-control, info-management)
[SN] Chaingun Porcupine: Never Enuff Dakka. (Ranged, Skirmishing, Spike Damage, Incarnum)
[RT] Always On Edge: The Mortal Draw deals death. (Melee, Generalist, Dungeoneering, Stunt)
[AR] Feral Druid: Real feral taste. Zero druid calories. (Melee, offense, damage, murder)
[RT] Rusty!: Man's Best Friend (Sentry, Support, Backup, Rearguard)
[RT] The T3 (Tashalatora Triple Threat): My Kung Fu is More Powerful (Hybrid, Flex-Function, Melee, Caster)
[RT] The #1 Snoipah: Boom. 'Eadshot. (Caster, Theme, Spike, Trapscout)
[AR] Dreamblade: Rest in Pieces. (Melee, Damage, Single-Class, Combo/Momentum)
[AR] Evasion Tank: “When fighting angry blind men, is best to stay out of the way.” (Melee, Tank, Unorthodox Methods (attack negation), Theme)
[DH] Psycarnum Warrior: ↑↑↓↓←→←→BA Start (Melee, Tank, Psionics, Incarnum, 1337 h4x)
[AR] Heavy Weapons Elf: WHO TOUCHED MY BOW? (Ranged, Cohort, Damage, Unorthodox Methods (ranged ToB))
[RT] Gnowhere Gnome: A little man who wasn't there (Caster, Stealth, Single-Class, Elusive)
[AR] Uberflank: I got your back. (Melee, support, stunt, teamwork)
[TS] Flip the Bird: Everyday I'm shuffling (Ranged, harrier, unorthodox methods (ranged ToB / off-turn movement), support)
[DH] Eat Sleep Gank: Real Ultimate Power (Stealth, Assassination, Spike, Magic Versatility)
[AR] Slash and Burn: Mind, Body, Blade, Flame / Aspects of a greater whole / which delivers death. (Melee, Theme (flex-style), Damage, Stunt)
[RT] Edge of the Light: Cut, Fade to Black (Melee, Defense/Offense, Momentum, Tactical)
[RT] Quiet Murder: Cut throats, not corners. (Melee, Stealth, Harrier, Tactical)
[TS] Wand Overdrive: Say Hello to my little friends. (Caster, support/artillery/variable, wand specialist)
[RT] God Hand: What did the five fingers say to the face? (Melee/Gish, Unarmed, SAD, Theme)
[AR] Zero Buff Time Gish: Try to keep up! (Gish, Speed, Movement, Opportunity)
[TS] Robo Tackle: I Am Iron Man. (Melee, setting-specific (Eberron), positioning, theme, stunt)


Want to see how the entire group rolls?
[All] Party Optimization Showcase: Dead for Nothing
[TS/RT/AR] Optimization Article: The Flash Step
[RT] Optimization Article: Kung Fu Witchcraft
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8 months ago  ::  Nov 16, 2012 - 6:39PM #13
Caker
Date Joined: Jun 15, 2012
Posts: 154
But the heavy 2h axe you are wielding throws you off balance so you have to roll a balance check of 10 to keep upright.

That's how this works right? 
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8 months ago  ::  Nov 16, 2012 - 6:52PM #14
RadicalTaoist
Date Joined: Aug 17, 2004
Posts: 2,531
If you're the kind of GM who would ban a melee trick as mild as this, such a ruling would make sense. It's not broken, it's not unrealistic, it's not even really problematic for equivalent CR monsters.
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8 months ago  ::  Nov 16, 2012 - 6:55PM #15
New-Shadow
Date Joined: Feb 12, 2011
Posts: 201
Tempest, I did vote the previous time for A-Game Ranger, though if that was only mentioned elsewhere and not a build choice, I'll vote for something else.  I'll get alternative votes up in a few.  EDIT:  Deathblow and/or Quiet Murder if A-Game Ranger isn't available.

Just so you know, the links for levels 6 and 9, known maneuvers, and the Variant section appear to be malfunctioning.
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8 months ago  ::  Nov 16, 2012 - 7:01PM #16
TriumphantHero
Date Joined: Oct 20, 2012
Posts: 6
How are you qualifying for snap kick at 5? And voting for Quiet Murder.
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8 months ago  ::  Nov 16, 2012 - 7:29PM #17
RadicalTaoist
Date Joined: Aug 17, 2004
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Oh, good catch. I was under the mistaken impression that SK had a prereq of BAB +4. My bad.

Fortunately, the cleaned up version does without unarmed strikes, so that error will disappear. 
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8 months ago  ::  Nov 16, 2012 - 7:29PM #18
Caker
Date Joined: Jun 15, 2012
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He isn't, move the fighter level to level 7 i would guess fixes it.
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8 months ago  ::  Nov 17, 2012 - 5:55AM #19
Cyclone_Joker
Date Joined: May 19, 2010
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Very nice.

I'm going to vote for SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. Been wondering since it was first mentioned.
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8 months ago  ::  Nov 17, 2012 - 3:04PM #20
Tempest_Stormwind
Date Joined: Jun 20, 2004
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The revised version is almost ready; I'll shunt the text (with its awful fonting...) to another post and replace the front post when it's ready to go. Ditching Reaping Talons had a cascade effect - the new build is a lot cleaner with identical class structure (so none of the numbers need to be changed). The most visible changes are dropping the flaws, the unarmed/TWF subfocus, and even the Mongoose maneuvers in favor of tripping, better saving throws, and a late-game transition to ubercharging. Without flaws, Stormguard is a touch later than I'd like, but Power Attack + Improved Combat Expertise + the right maneuvers gives you enough to work with on the way there. And although Reaping Talons' removal causes us to drop Cleave, we still get to use the "look, we use two completely sub-par feats" joke.

The current vote stand looks like it's either Deathblow or Quiet Murder. I like them both - they're simple, which is always nice. I'll spoil one thing: Quiet Murder's stunts haven't been seen here, while Deathblow's is more of a "everything already exists, let's just put them all together and refine it" thing (though it's still useful).

Cyclone_Joker: The two times I offered "something completely different", I put up a non-build article (specifically, the Dead for Nothing teamwork showcase and the article on flash-stepping); there aren't any un-seen "somethings completely different". I suppose I could showcase our other team, but those group displays take a lot of work (especially because the other team is level 12), and the game uses more houserules than Dead for Nothing so it's less transferrable. Plus, it grew organically from a low level with a rotating cast of PCs, while DFN was engineered as a team; DFN is much more interconnected, which is what made it worth writing about.
Cancer prognosis: I am now cancer-free.

Weekly Optimization Series: Show
These are NOT all my creations! The lead authors are identified as follows:
[TS] Tempest Stormwind, [AR] Andarious Rosethorn, [RT] Radical Taoist, [SN] Sionnis, [DH] DisposableHero_, [SH] Seishi.

[TS] The Pinball Brothers: Large And In Charge (Melee, Lockdown, Charge, Juggling)
[TS] Ashardalon Reborn: I Will Swallow Your Soul (Melee, Fear, Negative Levels, AoE, Theme)
[AR] "A"-Game Paladin: Play That Funky Music, Knight Boy! (Team Support, Melee, Theme, Single-Class)
[RT] Uncanny Trapsmith: Get in, make it look like an accident, get out. (Skillmonkey, Stealth/Scout/Infiltration, Unorthodox Methods, Theme)
[AR] Wizsassin: *Everything* is permitted. (Spellcaster, Support, Sneak Attack, Utility)
[TS] Phantom Rush: General Gish Gouda. (Gish, Theme, Setting-Specific(Eberron), Early-Entry PrC)
[TS] Storm Knight: Another kind of gish. (Melee/"Gish", Theme, Setting-Specific(Eberron), Unorthodox Methods)
[TS] Inevitable Nightmare: The weapon you only have to fire once. (Melee, "Unorthodox" Methods (no charging), Reliability)
[AR] Captain Constitution: The number one threat to America. (Melee, TOUGHTOUGHTOUGH, Defense, Theme)
[AR] Nuker: I casts the spells that makes the peoples fall down! (Spellcaster, damage, blasting, damage)
[TS] Dread Lord of the Dead: Let the Reaping Begin! (NPC-only, Variable (combat/casting/leadership), Iconic Villain, Theme)
[AR] Heavy Crusader: No Rest. No Mercy. No Matter What. (Melee, Damage (No charging), Variable, Theme).
[TS] Gun Fu: It's bullet time (Ranged, THEORETICAL, Twin weapons, Theme)
[RT] Face First: We should talk. (Psionic, social, mind-control, info-management)
[SN] Chaingun Porcupine: Never Enuff Dakka. (Ranged, Skirmishing, Spike Damage, Incarnum)
[RT] Always On Edge: The Mortal Draw deals death. (Melee, Generalist, Dungeoneering, Stunt)
[AR] Feral Druid: Real feral taste. Zero druid calories. (Melee, offense, damage, murder)
[RT] Rusty!: Man's Best Friend (Sentry, Support, Backup, Rearguard)
[RT] The T3 (Tashalatora Triple Threat): My Kung Fu is More Powerful (Hybrid, Flex-Function, Melee, Caster)
[RT] The #1 Snoipah: Boom. 'Eadshot. (Caster, Theme, Spike, Trapscout)
[AR] Dreamblade: Rest in Pieces. (Melee, Damage, Single-Class, Combo/Momentum)
[AR] Evasion Tank: “When fighting angry blind men, is best to stay out of the way.” (Melee, Tank, Unorthodox Methods (attack negation), Theme)
[DH] Psycarnum Warrior: ↑↑↓↓←→←→BA Start (Melee, Tank, Psionics, Incarnum, 1337 h4x)
[AR] Heavy Weapons Elf: WHO TOUCHED MY BOW? (Ranged, Cohort, Damage, Unorthodox Methods (ranged ToB))
[RT] Gnowhere Gnome: A little man who wasn't there (Caster, Stealth, Single-Class, Elusive)
[AR] Uberflank: I got your back. (Melee, support, stunt, teamwork)
[TS] Flip the Bird: Everyday I'm shuffling (Ranged, harrier, unorthodox methods (ranged ToB / off-turn movement), support)
[DH] Eat Sleep Gank: Real Ultimate Power (Stealth, Assassination, Spike, Magic Versatility)
[AR] Slash and Burn: Mind, Body, Blade, Flame / Aspects of a greater whole / which delivers death. (Melee, Theme (flex-style), Damage, Stunt)
[RT] Edge of the Light: Cut, Fade to Black (Melee, Defense/Offense, Momentum, Tactical)
[RT] Quiet Murder: Cut throats, not corners. (Melee, Stealth, Harrier, Tactical)
[TS] Wand Overdrive: Say Hello to my little friends. (Caster, support/artillery/variable, wand specialist)
[RT] God Hand: What did the five fingers say to the face? (Melee/Gish, Unarmed, SAD, Theme)
[AR] Zero Buff Time Gish: Try to keep up! (Gish, Speed, Movement, Opportunity)
[TS] Robo Tackle: I Am Iron Man. (Melee, setting-specific (Eberron), positioning, theme, stunt)


Want to see how the entire group rolls?
[All] Party Optimization Showcase: Dead for Nothing
[TS/RT/AR] Optimization Article: The Flash Step
[RT] Optimization Article: Kung Fu Witchcraft
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