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7 months ago ::
Nov 16, 2012 - 6:46AM
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It reminds me of a website that compares what a historical Viking looks like versus what is essentially what a D&D player thinks a Viking is. There is only uncomfortable embarassment and derision for the absurd and bizarrely erroneous D&D version.
What version of the D&D viking are you talking about. What do you think about this book? I thought it was well researched.
Yeah, that particular book is reasonably researched. Still it has anachronisms. However elsewhere, references to viking-related tropes, as if “berserkers” with horned helmets, is often bizarrely wrong. To the point of humor.
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7 months ago ::
Nov 16, 2012 - 6:55AM
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And I notice that they still have Katana listed as doing 1d8 damage which is not realistic at all.
... Because it should be 10,000?
I dont know. Only 10,000? It is a Katana!
Are Katana's not simply bastard swords? There really isn't anything special about them.
Well, its a single edged bastard sword, also lighter. I would also agree to put it in the 'finesse' category.
historically, medieval Europe arms had to get stronger and heavier in order to contend with the armour of the time. Whereas in japan, it wasn't necessary as the armour wasn't up to par. A katana cuts really well but it won't do squat to chainmail whereas a bastard sword can still break your bones even if it doesn't cut through the mail.
With the current rule-set, I would consider the following: Katana: 1d6 one-handed , 1d8 two-handed (finesse weapon) Bastard Sword: 1d8 one-handed, 1d10 two-handed (martial weapon) Although its not to say that european swords are a 'brutes' weapon, there is just as much technique really, its just that heavier swords meant to pierce armor benefit more from a 'powerful' strike, however, you still have to 'draw' your blade to get that cutting which is where technique comes in.
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7 months ago ::
Nov 16, 2012 - 6:57AM
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Nobody objects to them fixing the weights. People do object to "fixing" the names, because those names do have a benefit.
Wrong names benefit who? The ignorant?
I think this is the fundamental crux of the matter. If D&D had proper names for the weapons it would have zero effect on sales, and would enrich the players. D&D did a fairly descent job of illustrating the parts of castles.
Honestly, I think this is where Gary Gygax went wrong. He was quite knowledgeable about these things but he set up conventions that lead to misconceptions. The burden on the player would not increase wiht a little bit of enrichment.
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7 months ago ::
Nov 16, 2012 - 7:01AM
#154
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I hate to say it, but the erroneous misinformation makes D&D players look like morons.
It doesn't SEEM like you hate to say it. If you really hate to say it...don't say it.
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7 months ago ::
Nov 16, 2012 - 7:03AM
#155
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Great point about how the wrong information in D&D ruins the immersion of players who know what they are talking about.
Why do you assume that any of your "correct" information applies to the names fantasy characters in a fantasy world give to their fantasy items?
What if they are the ones who know what they're talking about, and you are wrong?
If you're worried about ruining your immersion, you should probably not be so insistent on forcing out-of-world things into your D&D.
D&D Next = D&D: Quantum Edition
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7 months ago ::
Nov 16, 2012 - 7:04AM
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Frankly, if the disdain of people with the condescending attitude that Haldrik and others display is the result of having the wrong names, I find that to be a benefit, not a cost. One I'm happy to pay.
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7 months ago ::
Nov 16, 2012 - 7:04AM
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That's your opinion. I wouldn't want to wear a 'hauberk', since that's the sound my cat makes when he's hacking up a hairball.
Your cat can speak English? Pretty good that your cat apparently is willing to see the value of learning unfamiliar vocabulary. Perhaps you should follow its lead?
CAMRA preserves and protects real ale from the homogenization of modern beer production.
D&D Grognards are the CAMRA of D&D!
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7 months ago ::
Nov 16, 2012 - 7:07AM
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Frankly, if the disdain of people with the condescending attitude that Haldrik and others display is the result of having the wrong names, I find that to be a benefit, not a cost. One I'm happy to pay.
Classic example of “willful ignorance”.
Yes, Im sure educated people sound “elitist” to the uneducated.
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7 months ago ::
Nov 16, 2012 - 7:10AM
#159
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Frankly, if the disdain of people with the condescending attitude that Haldrik and others display is the result of having the wrong names, I find that to be a benefit, not a cost. One I'm happy to pay.
Classic axample of “willful ignorance”.
Yes, Im sure educated people sound “elitist” to the uneducated.
Since when does your "education" in historical weaponry apply to a fantasy gameworld?
My gameworld doesn't use Earth-historical weaponry. Now what? Am I just being willfully ignorant? I mean, I do know the proper historical names for things, but my worlds aren't direct representations of Earth for many other reasons. Who are you to judge me for changing the names just as I changed the continents, nations, races, and cultures?
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7 months ago ::
Nov 16, 2012 - 7:11AM
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Frankly, if the disdain of people with the condescending attitude that Haldrik and others display is the result of having the wrong names, I find that to be a benefit, not a cost. One I'm happy to pay.
Insisting that a game use proper historical terms is not condescending. If I said you were a plebian for not knowing what a gorget is, then yeah I might be condescending.
insisting that education is important every time all the time where possible is not condescending.
This was one of Carl Sagan's most powerful Thesis. When possible popular culture should seek to teach as much as it entertains. And not teach like a classroom, but for instance use Star Trek to spread scientific literacy instead of just entertainment. (Which I think Star Trek actually does, but the misconceptions it spreads is in about equal measure.)
CAMRA preserves and protects real ale from the homogenization of modern beer production.
D&D Grognards are the CAMRA of D&D!
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