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7 months ago  ::  Nov 14, 2012 - 7:25PM #1
chaoz
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Yeah I know ECL 24 is crazy. But I am very excited and got pigeonholed a lot by the choices. I am making a wizard type guy, can some one help me with it? I know it will be focused specialist, with some levels of archmage. But what else to throw in? Also, DM is very experienced and strict on "broken things", so I am making a powerful but not broken char.

Thanks a lot!

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7 months ago  ::  Nov 14, 2012 - 8:59PM #2
StevenO
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You know, with 24 levels to play with and wanting a super spellcaster I'd play around with the Ultimate Magus or maybe even another double casting combo as you have four more levels to get one side to 20th-level casting.  I wonder about a Beguiler2/Wiz3/UM10/AbC5/AM4 which should have 21st-level wizard spellcasting, 10th-level Beguiler spellcasting, +4 Caster level on each from UM and possibly another +2 or +4 from Practiced Spellcaster; I choose Beguiler for synergy with INT and pushed it to 10th-level spellcasting for its 5th-level spell slots and access to all of its 5th-level spell list.

As for making a "powerful but not broken characters" I'd just say you are trying to max out a full caster who can be "broken" without doing a lot to its build.
 
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7 months ago  ::  Nov 14, 2012 - 9:25PM #3
Maat_Mons
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Since you're starting at level 24, you can lose 4 levels of casting progression without any loss of spells per day. You do wind up with a lower caster level, but you can take the practiced spellcaster feat to make that up.


The pale master prestige class (Libris Mortis) gives you full undead immunities without actually making you undead. The only better set of immunities goes to constructs. Undead are only immune to damage to physical ability scores. Constructs are immune to damage to all ability scores. Both are immune to all ability drain.


I'm not normally a fan of the green star adept prestige class, since it causes you to lose 5 levels of spellcasting, but it might work here. The class turns you into a construct at level 10, except you don't get the normal immunity to mind-affecting effects.


I'd suggest the warforged juggernaut prestige class (Eberron Campaign Setting) if I could think of a way around the 35% arcane spell failure chance imposed by one of the prerequisite feats.

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7 months ago  ::  Nov 14, 2012 - 10:08PM #4
Vincent_Dranoch
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I don't know what kind of Focused Specialist you are, but if you really want to take Archmage levels, then go with Focused Abjurer -> Master Specialist -> Initiate of the Sevenfold Veil -> Archmage

IotSV is a REALLY great PrC, and Master Abjurer gets really good abilities, including casting Personal Range spells as touch spells, then Archmage turns it into ranged touch/ray spells!

The suggestions from StevenO and Maat_Mons are great too (i just don't know about Warforged Juggernaut, i mean, you get all those immunities, but if you are Warforged you lose 1 caster level already counting with Practiced Spellcaster feat, if you are Human and go with Renegade Mastermaker -> Warforged Juggernaut then you lose 3 caster level already counting with the aforementioned feat).

If you follow the StevenO's tips take at least one level of Spellthief and the Master Spellthief feat.
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7 months ago  ::  Nov 15, 2012 - 7:19AM #5
Andarious-Rosethorn
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Here's one to throw into the hat, Swiftblade (it's official wizards, but not in paper, web content only). You could do something like Wizard 6/Swiftblade 2/Abjurant Champion 5/+8 Swiftblade... and whatever you do after that is pretty well golden. If you can take Epic Abjurant Champion levels and only advance existing level dependant abilities do it, I'd say. Be a Transmuter and don't give up Abjuration.

The reason I suggest this build is simple, action economy.  You get a swift action to cast haste or an abjuration with each round at no additional resource cost, and then you've got a full round (or move and standard), as well as another Standard to do whatever you want with. Flexibility is why wizards win. I'm not even going to get into the potent defensive abilities that both prcs have access to. You just need a couple simple offensive tricks, maybe using Conjuration, Transmutation and Abjuration to control fights.
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7 months ago  ::  Nov 15, 2012 - 7:30AM #6
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You can't do Epic Abjurant Champion progression, since it's only a 5-level class. I don't remember if the DMG requires a PrC to have 10 levels or "at least" 10 levels, but 5 won't cut it.
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7 months ago  ::  Nov 15, 2012 - 7:30AM #7
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You can't do Epic Abjurant Champion progression, since it's only a 5-level class. I don't remember if the DMG requires a PrC to have 10 levels or "at least" 10 levels, but 5 won't cut it.
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7 months ago  ::  Nov 15, 2012 - 7:30AM #8
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You can't do Epic Abjurant Champion progression, since it's only a 5-level class. I don't remember if the DMG requires a PrC to have 10 levels or "at least" 10 levels, but 5 won't cut it.
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7 months ago  ::  Nov 15, 2012 - 7:34AM #9
Andarious-Rosethorn
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LOL I-Phone posting. DM can always say "sure", generally speaking epic progression in a PRC is as simple as "levels byond the normal limit of the class" and has to be house ruled. It was an "if your GM lets you" statment Draco, not really a big deal if not. But even if all you got was a boost to Abjuration Armor/Shield bonus and increased levels for Auto Swift that would be great, 9 and 9 would be great that way.
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7 months ago  ::  Nov 15, 2012 - 9:19AM #10
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Well, if it's not possible progress Abjurant Champion beyond 5, so go with a Epic Swift Blade. About level 10 you lose your fourth and last caster level, which is fixed by Practiced Spellcaster, then starts to take levels beyond 10, i think all of the next levels will increase the spellcaster level.
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