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Nov 20, 2012 -- 10:06PM, Cyclone_Joker wrote:

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Glad to see you made a build that has clipped wings and trouble meeting feat prerequisites, as well as getting pulled in ten directions. Elegance, man, elegance. Power trips only work if they are stylish and...well, can actually be pulled off.

Nov 20, 2012 -- 10:58PM, Vincent_Dranoch wrote:

I'm sorry, but do you understand how this game works? It is so trivially easy to raise skill checks.

Did i said anything different?

I even said if you don't want to be evil and rely on such spells, then you should rely on other ways of getting high Spellcraft.

Which means your build has nothing over a standard incantatrix.

And Metamagic Effect DOES have limited number of uses, which you'd know if you actuallly read the ability instead of parroting bad advice.

My bad, but 3+Int modifier is still more than your build (you have around 2 Instant Metamagic, 2 Vestige, and so on), and is easy to get high Int mod, so...

It's a good thing the build I brought up can use it, too. 'Cuz, yanno, it's an Incantatrix class feature, and all?

Now, the build I've made uses DMM(With Southern Magician to get Divine spells), Vestige Metamagic, Instant Metamagic, Residual Magic, and Metamagic Effect, for truly insane levels of persisting. Now, try to keep up. I'm trying to keep it simple, but I'm not sure I can make it slower for you.

All of it is irrelevant/redundant/not worth (except for Southern Magician that i can get for my builds too) because Metamagic Effect + High Spellcraft = You persist any spell in the game, you don't need to invest in a bunch of Instant and Vestige and such Metamagic.

You cannot possibly be this dense.

Swiftblade in other way hasn't abilities that are redundant with Metamagic Effect, so it can still uses its maximum potencial and do not lose time improving your metamagic powers since you already has the best ability for that.

All of the swiftblade abilities are redundant. All are easily replicatable with buffs.

Good PrCs bring new abilities or enhance existing abilities. Swiftblade gives a lot of abilities the wizard already had, at the cost of a bunch of garbage feats, 10 levels, and 4 CL.

Good god, do you understand how this game works? Masochism and Sadism are irrelevent. Your  "build," if such a bad one can be called such, is wastin 9 levels and 3 CL on garbage.

Lol how contradictory you are, sometimes you says Incantatrix is awesome and now says 3 levels of it are garbage. And if these spells are irrelevant is irrelevant, i just used them as examples, any way of high Spellcraft check can do it.

You cannot POSSIBLY be this dense. 

The Swiftblade is what is garbage. Putting awesomeness onto garbage does not change the fact that the garbage is garbage. You gave up 9 levels and 3 CL for stuff the three levels of Incantatrix already gave you. 

All of those 'benefits" are either crap, or so easily replicatable that they aren't worth mentioning. And, no, a Swiftblade will NOT go first.

Which are replicatable? Polymorphing into a Choker to get an extra action? Buffing your Initiative to go first?

I'm not going to dignify this with a serious answer because you should already know how to break the action economy beyond repair as a wizard.

All of it is cumulative with Perpetual Options and Arcane Reflexes.

Which matters how, exactly? The three levels of Incantatrix will do all the work. These class features are trash.

But Metamagic Effect + Instant Metamagic? They're not cumulative, Metamagic Effect already does the better that can be done.

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First off, Wyrm Wizard is not good enough to make that list with Dweomerkeeper and IotSFV.

Whatever, it's just that the possibility of get any spell from any class is nice.

Which is something Wizards already had. If you want more, don't waste time with Wyrm Wizard, just play a damn Mystic Theruge.

Nov 21, 2012 -- 12:03AM, Armisael wrote:

Nov 20, 2012 -- 10:06PM, Cyclone_Joker wrote:

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Glad to see you made a build that has clipped wings and trouble meeting feat prerequisites, as well as getting pulled in ten directions. Elegance, man, elegance. Power trips only work if they are stylish and...well, can actually be pulled off.

Uh, no. Build is totally functional. The prereqs are totally easy to meet, and it functions perfectly. I fail to see anything wrong with it. 

Nov 21, 2012 -- 12:31AM, Scythal wrote:

CJ, the reason why you don't bring bag of holding or portable hole in a rope trick is explain in the spell itself, but you have to read the note at the end of it's description.

Which says nothing. Come back with some actual rules.

Then, contigency can't have a spell of more than 6 lv to be use when the conditions are met, and you can only have one on yourself at anytime.

You're adorable.

By the way, what is your daily buff routine with your so called unkillable Incantatrix?

Honestly, it depends on the power of the game. If you have a Weid engine, whatever the hell you need. If you don't, it'll still partially depend on your Divinations, but, for starters, Favor of the Martyr, Delay Death, and Beastland Ferocity, plus Lesser Vigor. Shapechange when at a sufficient level, obviously, Death Ward can be nifty as well, and, if you can actually afford it, at least one Pact of Return.

As for actual Wizard spells, all the miss-chance stacking, Greater Invis, and so on. Buff your allies, too. The fighter needs to feel useful every once and a while after all.

Ho and nice build for a lv ....40 character: "Wizard 1/Anima Mage 7/Incantatrix 10/Sacred Exorcist 1/Mindbender 1//Factotum 8/Telepath 12"

Gestalt build, bro. Try to keep up with the conversation.

Nov 21, 2012 -- 5:48AM, draco1119 wrote:

CJ, you don't have many friends, do you?

More than you'd think, actually.

Nov 21, 2012 -- 2:11PM, Alsebra wrote:

Nov 21, 2012 -- 5:27AM, Cyclone_Joker wrote:

Which says nothing. Come back with some actual rules.

Take a look at the note:

It is hazardous to create an extradimensional space within an existing extradimensional space or to take an extradimensional space into an existing one.

Sure, the bag of holding is a nondimensional item, but you wouldn't be able to rope trick into another.

I see nothing in the passage you quoted that says anything rules-wise. Now, if it said "It is hazarous blah blah blah; if an extradimensional space is brought into or created in another, blah blah blah," you'd have something. But, it isn't. Therefore, there are no problems nesting Rope Tricks.

Gestalt build, bro. Try to keep up with the conversation.

Not everyone has knowledge of gestalt rules, especially since it's a variant rule that comes from a book full of variants.

Except that Gestalt was specifically referenced by name, and the build was in standard Gestalt format. It's his own fault for not knowing at that point.