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7 months ago ::
Nov 15, 2012 - 4:07PM
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If you read the alignments, Batman reliably fits at least 5 of them. Other characters should be nearly as alignment diverse if played as if it was a person with a real personality and ethos. Alignment fails as anything other than a rudimentary aid to people.
Alignment succeeds spectacularly at representing alignment. As for Batman and his alignment, mainstream standard Batman is lawful good. He acts that way, and he is even called out as such in one of the sourcebooks. Each alignment also allows for a variety of personal philosophies. Hell, egoism alone can fit all nine alignments.
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7 months ago ::
Nov 15, 2012 - 4:14PM
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..."window.parent.tinyMCE.get('post_content').onLoad.dispatch();" contenteditable="true" />If you read the alignments, Batman reliably fits at least 5 of them. Other characters should be nearly as alignment diverse if played as if it was a person with a real personality and ethos. Alignment fails as anything other than a rudimentary aid to people.
No he doesn't. He has MASSIVE disqualifications from every alignment except Lawful Good.
Remember, do not try to see what makes Batman fits, focus on what makes him NOT fit. If you like I will do a breakdown...I am more than willing. I can even offer a link to another thread where I explained it. Just let me know. I love comics and love D&D and Batman is one of my favs, so it doesn't bother me at all.
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7 months ago ::
Nov 15, 2012 - 4:19PM
#43
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If you read the alignments, Batman reliably fits at least 5 of them. Other characters should be nearly as alignment diverse if played as if it was a person with a real personality and ethos. Alignment fails as anything other than a rudimentary aid to people.
Alignment succeeds spectacularly at representing alignment. As for Batman and his alignment, mainstream standard Batman is lawful good. He acts that way, and he is even called out as such in one of the sourcebooks. Each alignment also allows for a variety of personal philosophies. Hell, egoism alone can fit all nine alignments.
If I get the time and inclination, I'll quote those 5 alignments and you can see how well he fits them all. Can he fit LG? Absolutely, but he also fits NG, CG, LN and I believe one more. Simply because he may fit LG slightly better (and I debate this) than the others, does not invalidate the others.
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7 months ago ::
Nov 15, 2012 - 4:20PM
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..."window.parent.tinyMCE.get('post_content').onLoad.dispatch();" contenteditable="true" />If you read the alignments, Batman reliably fits at least 5 of them. Other characters should be nearly as alignment diverse if played as if it was a person with a real personality and ethos. Alignment fails as anything other than a rudimentary aid to people.
No he doesn't. He has MASSIVE disqualifications from every alignment except Lawful Good.
Not true. He's disqualified from LG as well, if you're going by actions outside of alignment disqualifying him.
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7 months ago ::
Nov 15, 2012 - 4:27PM
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If I get the time and inclination, I'll quote those 5 alignments and you can see how well he fits them all. Can he fit LG? Absolutely, but he also fits NG, CG, LN and I believe one more. Simply because he may fit LG slightly better (and I debate this) than the others, does not invalidate the others.
Here you go.
"A Lawful Good character typically acts with compassion, and always with honor and a sense of duty."
Batman. The core of Batman's character is compassion for his fellow man and a desire to protect them. It is why his counterpart Owlman is the ultimate sociopath (to the point of nihilism to prove his point).
Also there is this from WoTC themselves...the designers that determine what "Lawful Good" is...
In the Complete Scoundrel sourcebook Batman, Dick Tracy and Indiana Jones are cited as examples of lawful good characters
However, even without that, Batman is Lawful Good.
For comparison...[brackets are me]
"A Neutral Good character is guided by his conscience and typically acts altruistically [sounds like Batman at first], without regard for or against Lawful [not Batman, he respects the law and those that serve it] precepts such as rules or tradition [Batman has built an entire lineage of defenders in his Bat-family built on his traditions...so not him]. A Neutral Good character has no problems with co-operating with lawful officials, but does not feel beholden to them [This does sound similar to Batman, but Batman does not place Jim Gordon in compromising situations because he DOES feel beholden to him since he's the actual law in Gotham. he does not undermine Jim]. In the event that doing the right thing requires the bending or breaking of rules, they do not suffer the same inner conflict that a Lawful Good character would. [Batman constantly suffers this inner conflict. If he could be a lawman he would be but he cannot work within the restrictions of that structure because he hews to pure justice not to man's law]"
And next...[again brackets are me]
Chaotic Good is known as the "Beatific," "Rebel," or "Cynic" alignment. A Chaotic Good character favors change for a greater good, disdains bureaucratic organizations that get in the way of social improvement, and places a high value on personal freedom, not only for oneself, but for others as well [this is enough to throw out Batman as chaotic. He does not value his own personal freedom or even the freedom of those that serve with him under his oath to justice. He is all about responsibility to his fellow man]. They always intend to do the right thing, but their methods are generally disorganized and often out of alignment with the rest of society [again not Chaotic...disorganized? No, not Batman]. They may create conflict in a team if they feel they are being pushed around, and often view extensive organization and planning as pointless, preferring to improvise.[This last line ALSO shatters Batman as being Chaotic...Batman loves organization and planning and does not prefer to improvise]
Naturally, since Lawful Good is ONE step away from Neutral Good, there will be a lot of overlap. The differences will be slight but there. The differences are FA more pronounced between Lawful & Chaotic, however.
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7 months ago ::
Nov 15, 2012 - 5:20PM
#46
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... see this is more of what I was expecting when I said that Batman is "Lawful Good".
edit: the truth of Batman's alignment is simple, clear and obvious... it just seems that the truth isn't the same for everyone.
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7 months ago ::
Nov 15, 2012 - 5:23PM
#47
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If you read the alignments, Batman reliably fits at least 5 of them. Other characters should be nearly as alignment diverse if played as if it was a person with a real personality and ethos. Alignment fails as anything other than a rudimentary aid to people.
Alignment succeeds spectacularly at representing alignment. As for Batman and his alignment, mainstream standard Batman is lawful good. He acts that way, and he is even called out as such in one of the sourcebooks. Each alignment also allows for a variety of personal philosophies. Hell, egoism alone can fit all nine alignments.
If I get the time and inclination, I'll quote those 5 alignments and you can see how well he fits them all. Can he fit LG? Absolutely, but he also fits NG, CG, LN and I believe one more. Simply because he may fit LG slightly better (and I debate this) than the others, does not invalidate the others.
You're going to have to tell me how he isn't an easy fit into lawful good when he has a rigid personal code that he sticks to like glue, which involves a high degree of personal sacrifice for the sake of others who he is not beholden to. He even believes laws are good, so long as they help people, and that laws should in fact help people. He fits lawful good like a glove.
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7 months ago ::
Nov 15, 2012 - 5:37PM
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You're going to have to tell me how he isn't an easy fit into lawful good when he has a rigid personal code that he sticks to like glue, which involves a high degree of personal sacrifice for the sake of others who he is not beholden to. He even believes laws are good, so long as they help people, and that laws should in fact help people. He fits lawful good like a glove.
But, but, but...
Batmans Chaotic Evil because he hates ice cream:
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7 months ago ::
Nov 15, 2012 - 5:41PM
#49
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You're going to have to tell me how he isn't an easy fit into lawful good when he has a rigid personal code that he sticks to like glue, which involves a high degree of personal sacrifice for the sake of others who he is not beholden to. He even believes laws are good, so long as they help people, and that laws should in fact help people. He fits lawful good like a glove.
But, but, but...
Batmans Chaotic Evil because he hates ice cream:
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HAHAHAHA!!!! Nice...
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