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Nov 16, 2012 -- 1:45PM, LightWarden wrote:

Belt of the Brawler to use improvised items like clubs + Iron Soul monk to use clubs for various bonuses basically makes you into Jackie Chan.

Heh excepting Jackie uses silly obsfucation and wild moves that entertain to fatigue and confuse adversaries ;p

Nov 16, 2012 -- 1:39PM, Garthanos wrote:

Nov 16, 2012 -- 1:36PM, YagamiFire wrote:

Well, call an MMA fighter a "street fighter" or a "brawler" and see the sort of response you get.

Seen reports of martial artists beat up by street fighters.. so egos aside, being unpredictable can be handy.

Hence the difference between a fighter and a monk...doesn't mean one has to be a higher level than the other...just that they're different things.

Nov 16, 2012 -- 1:45PM, LightWarden wrote:

Nov 14, 2012 -- 6:16AM, YagamiFire wrote:

For awesome monk style and variety the designers should be stealing liberally from Fist of the North Star. Seriously, that should be the template.

Incredibly unlikely.  At least some part of the staff will block it as too different to be D&D.

Then their short-sightedness is quite unfortunate.

Something like Hokuto No Ken displays the sort of versatility and range a class should have in it. As they stand, traditional D&D monks are WAY too narrow in scope and approach.

Nov 15, 2012 -- 8:20PM, MalakLightfoot wrote:

Talk to an MMA fighter sometime, and they will tell you something quite different. The amount of focus and dedication to the art between a boxer and a karateka is quite similar. There are differences in philosophy, but the basic exercise of throwing a punch or kick is the same whether you are practicing Tae Kwan Do or Savate. The rules of leverage apply equally whether you are practicing Jujiutsu or Greco Roman wrestling.

Almost none of my 4E Monks, and I have made a few, are grounded in Eastern philosophy. Most of them are brawlers and pugilists.

I was counting boxing as a martial art, because, well, it's a martial art. Now, my initial thought could have done with some fleshing out in retrospect. A warrior NPC class would probably be best for a straight-up brawler. But since someone mentioned straight-up brawler, and not MMA fighter, I was trying to give treatment to what was mentioned. If we want to talk MMA, a fighter is still a better choice for that than the monk.

Not due to different levels of effort or dedication required for success, but due to a completely different style of training and fighting. In fact, if you wanted, you could build a straight-up brawler or an MMA fighter with the actual fighter class, just using different feats.

As for talking about the similarities of strikes in martial art, and using Tae Kwan DO and Savate as an example for that, those two styles specifically are in fact quite similar, but a side-kick in Wing Chun or Jeet Kune Do is actually pretty different than the kind of kicks thrown in MMA same for the punches.

I favor Jeet Kune Do, and I know some people who practice MMA (not professionals but as a hobby, and they aren't world class or anything but they are proficient) and even the way we throw strikes is quite different. The way we think about distance is also pretty different, though not as different as Wing Chun vs. MMA.

Nov 16, 2012 -- 4:07PM, Chakravant wrote:

Nov 16, 2012 -- 1:36PM, YagamiFire wrote:

Well, call an MMA fighter a "street fighter" or a "brawler" and see the sort of response you get.

In my home town we have an MMA fighter who wears a mask and body armor and starts street fights.
This distinctions between traditional martial arts, MMA, and street fighting have become rather blurred.

Professional MMA fighters have commented on street fights before, and at least some of them seem to think they're different. I've heard one professional fighter call an out-of-the-ring brawl between two trained fighters, "the most technical street fight ever." It's not that blurred, at least not all the time.