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6 months ago  ::  Nov 21, 2012 - 8:38PM #11
Malph
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Nov 20, 2012 -- 8:26PM, Mand12 wrote:

Improved Defenses is strictly superior to Robust Defenses.  Robust Defenses is an obsolete feat.

As an added advantage, Improved Defenses can be taken at any tier (and probably should).




Ah, didn't catch that one.
When stuff like "Forgotten Realms" and "Heroes of Such-as-such" come out, I don't get them, as they seem to be specific to a campagin setting.  But PH1,2,3, DMG1,2,3, I try to pay attention to.

Do they use all books, including campaign settings, to "fix" things (such as adding new Feats or rules that are needed)? 

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6 months ago  ::  Nov 22, 2012 - 12:52AM #12
thespaceinvader
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HotFL and HotFK were not campaign settings; they were the Essentials equivalents of the PHB.
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6 months ago  ::  Nov 22, 2012 - 9:27AM #13
Malph
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Nov 22, 2012 -- 12:52AM, thespaceinvader wrote:

HotFL and HotFK were not campaign settings; they were the Essentials equivalents of the PHB.




Ah, ok.  It was my understanding (which I admit is limited in this regard) is that Essentials was a sort-of attempt to make a "sort of 4.5e, but not really 4.5e" which ultimately is not compatible with 4e PH.  Is this true, or am I dead wrong?

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6 months ago  ::  Nov 22, 2012 - 10:07AM #14
Mand12
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Not dead wrong, but mostly wrong.  It's completely compatible with the 4e PHB, but the "sort of 4.5e, but not really 4.5e" is somewhat accurate.
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6 months ago  ::  Nov 22, 2012 - 1:41PM #15
Salla
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Nov 22, 2012 -- 9:27AM, Malph wrote:

Nov 22, 2012 -- 12:52AM, thespaceinvader wrote:

HotFL and HotFK were not campaign settings; they were the Essentials equivalents of the PHB.




Ah, ok.  It was my understanding (which I admit is limited in this regard) is that Essentials was a sort-of attempt to make a "sort of 4.5e, but not really 4.5e" which ultimately is not compatible with 4e PH.  Is this true, or am I dead wrong?




You're dead wrong.  The Heroes Of -- books are 100% compatible with 4e.  They are additional material, not a half-edition in any way.

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6 months ago  ::  Nov 22, 2012 - 4:43PM #16
Mand12
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Nov 22, 2012 -- 1:41PM, Salla wrote:

You're dead wrong.  The Heroes Of -- books are 100% compatible with 4e.  They are additional material, not a half-edition in any way.



Well, I'm not sure I agree with that, a lot of what it added was half-classes.

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6 months ago  ::  Nov 22, 2012 - 11:56PM #17
thespaceinvader
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Which work perfectly well on tables with classes from earlier books, and supply material varying from utility powers to all powers, which are compatible with classes from earlier books.

What more do you want?
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6 months ago  ::  Nov 23, 2012 - 1:07AM #18
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Also, Epic NAD feats aren't Feat Taxes in the slightest. They're powerful because they stack, but even an Optimized Defender can usually find better things to spend feats on than taking all 3.
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6 months ago  ::  Nov 23, 2012 - 2:24PM #19
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Nov 22, 2012 -- 4:43PM, Mand12 wrote:

Nov 22, 2012 -- 1:41PM, Salla wrote:

You're dead wrong.  The Heroes Of -- books are 100% compatible with 4e.  They are additional material, not a half-edition in any way.


Well, I'm not sure I agree with that, a lot of what it added was half-classes.


I'd change the final "s" to a "d" and drop two other letters.

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6 months ago  ::  Nov 23, 2012 - 8:02PM #20
Mand12
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Same thing?
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