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8 months ago  ::  Nov 15, 2012 - 3:30PM #31
Vincent_Dranoch
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Back to the Temporal Drake Swift Blade: Blurred Alacrity stacks with Temporal Displacement?

At the first i don't think so because Blurred Alacrity states that Displacement or similar spell effects doesn't stack with it, BUT happens that Temporal Displacement is not a spell effect (it's a supernatural effect) and it even doesn't work like Displacement (Displacement works giving you Total Concealment which can be nullified by True Seeing, and TD works giving you 20% miss chance for all attacks against you and it doesn't get past by True Seeing and such).
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8 months ago  ::  Nov 15, 2012 - 5:16PM #32
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Nov 15, 2012 -- 2:59PM, Cyclone_Joker wrote:

Nov 15, 2012 -- 9:32AM, RadicalTaoist wrote:

I'm a huge fan of getting the best bang for your CR buck, and have a weakness for under-CRed template combinations. Phrenic lycanthropes are a personal favourite of mine (if you have the MM3, use a Blackscale Lizardfolk as your base humanoid and a battletitan dinosaur as your base animal).


This does not work. Blackscale Lizardfolk are Medium. Battletitans are Huge. Therefore, Blackscale Lizardfolk is inelligable.



It isn't? I'm away from my MM3 now but I was POSITIVE those guys were large. Screw it, Ogre it is then.

And nothing, NOTHING beats the under-CRed monstrousity that is the Adamantine Horror.



I consider that, like the Ruby Golem, to be a brainfart on the part of the monster writers. And I'll raise you a Monstrous Crab

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8 months ago  ::  Nov 15, 2012 - 6:43PM #33
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Nov 15, 2012 -- 5:16PM, RadicalTaoist wrote:

Nov 15, 2012 -- 2:59PM, Cyclone_Joker wrote:

Nov 15, 2012 -- 9:32AM, RadicalTaoist wrote:

I'm a huge fan of getting the best bang for your CR buck, and have a weakness for under-CRed template combinations. Phrenic lycanthropes are a personal favourite of mine (if you have the MM3, use a Blackscale Lizardfolk as your base humanoid and a battletitan dinosaur as your base animal).


This does not work. Blackscale Lizardfolk are Medium. Battletitans are Huge. Therefore, Blackscale Lizardfolk is inelligable.



It isn't? I'm away from my MM3 now but I was POSITIVE those guys were large. Screw it, Ogre it is then.


I'm pretty sure they're medium.

And, anyways, RoD's(Or is it Shining South?) Half-Ogre is the best choice, I believe.

And nothing, NOTHING beats the under-CRed monstrousity that is the Adamantine Horror.



I consider that, like the Ruby Golem, to be a brainfart on the part of the monster writers.


While stupid, I don't consider the Ruby Golem to be that far out of line. It's pathetically weak, and has no way to deal with a lot of instagibs. Too easy to shut down.

Plus, every wizard in existance always preps at least one Shout, right?

And I'll raise you a Monstrous Crab


Adamantine Horror is worse. The crab is really only, what, CR 6 or so? A single clever Adamantine Horror could easily make a TPK of a party of lever 13+. Cripple even higher level parties by spamming Disjunction.

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Okay, this I wanna hear. The mod template looks pretty awful to me.

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8 months ago  ::  Nov 15, 2012 - 6:53PM #34
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The crab is cr 3. That's a dev brainfart if ever one there was.

As for the Mob template? Let's just say it goes really well with outsiders and other creatures whose racial HD grant perfect BAB. And who tend to have the resistances that make area effect blasting less effective. I've got a better base creature in mind to use the mob template on than what I used in that game though. 
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8 months ago  ::  Nov 15, 2012 - 10:47PM #35
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Nov 15, 2012 -- 6:53PM, RadicalTaoist wrote:

The crab is cr 3. That's a dev brainfart if ever one there was.

As for the Mob template? Let's just say it goes really well with outsiders and other creatures whose racial HD grant perfect BAB. And who tend to have the resistances that make area effect blasting less effective. I've got a better base creature in mind to use the mob template on than what I used in that game though. 


And it's power is about CR 6. The Horror is CR 9 and enough power to make plenty of CR 15+ creatures piss themselves.

Yes, that damned crab is bad, but the Horror? That's in a world of its own.

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8 months ago  ::  Nov 15, 2012 - 11:31PM #36
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Actually Cyclone black scale lizard folk are large sized, your probably confusieng them with the viletooth lizard folk from dragon magic who are descended from black dragons and have smiler scale patterns. Though as was already mentioned the reason that wouldn't work is due to black scale being monstrous humanoids. A good candidate for battle titan lycanthropy would however be either a half oger, orge, or war troll since the topic is on them.
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8 months ago  ::  Nov 15, 2012 - 11:52PM #37
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Not that it really helps, but the adamantine horror shouldn't ever appear in anything less than an EL 12, since its only entry in the organization line groups it with an assortment of other horrors (that ranged from EL 12 to EL 14, depending on exactly how many are included); you don't just encounter a single adamantine horror hanging around on its own.

It's not any better, since it just means you've got more distractions, and unless you effectively disable the adamantine horror (by blinding it with shatter, or by some other means) it's simply going to spam high-level spells at you until you die, but maybe you'll feel slightly better by dying at the hands of an entire assembly, rather than a single creature.
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8 months ago  ::  Nov 16, 2012 - 2:32AM #38
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Nov 15, 2012 -- 11:31PM, Lashius wrote:

Actually Cyclone black scale lizard folk are large sized, your probably confusieng them with the viletooth lizard folk from dragon magic who are descended from black dragons and have smiler scale patterns. Though as was already mentioned the reason that wouldn't work is due to black scale being monstrous humanoids. A good candidate for battle titan lycanthropy would however be either a half oger, orge, or war troll since the topic is on them.


Really? Huh. Hate those damned related and misleading names.

Nov 15, 2012 -- 11:52PM, Slagger_the_Chuul wrote:

Not that it really helps, but the adamantine horror shouldn't ever appear in anything less than an EL 12, since its only entry in the organization line groups it with an assortment of other horrors (that ranged from EL 12 to EL 14, depending on exactly how many are included); you don't just encounter a single adamantine horror hanging around on its own.


ECL 12 parties will still cry when they lose all their gear from a couple of Disjunctions while tied up with the crap-goons.

It's not any better, since it just means you've got more distractions, and unless you effectively disable the adamantine horror (by blinding it with shatter, or by some other means) it's simply going to spam high-level spells at you until you die, but maybe you'll feel slightly better by dying at the hands of an entire assembly, rather than a single creature.


Blinding doesn't matter. Oh, yes, you'll stop its Disintegrate and impare its Disjunction, but then it'll just spam Implosion, and at that level, there's still a good chance they'll fail their saves.

I hold by my claim that it is the single worst-designed creature printed. Well, except maybe Zodars.

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8 months ago  ::  Nov 16, 2012 - 5:30AM #39
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I know it's not on the same level of crazy-broken, but I'd also like to submit the Arrow Demon. CR 7, and it TPK'd a party of 5 level 6 & a level 9 in 7 rounds. It dropped somebody every round (with 1left unconscious, revived with a CMW, and dropped the next round).
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8 months ago  ::  Nov 16, 2012 - 5:53AM #40
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Nov 15, 2012 -- 11:31PM, Lashius wrote:

A good candidate for battle titan lycanthropy would however be either a half oger, orge, or war troll since the topic is on them.



Not quite: a phrenic werebattletitan war troll will end up in the CR ranges where the PCs can actually do something against such a monstrosity. An ogre or half-ogre will still be low enough CR to make the PCs wonder "the *$&@?".

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