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8 months ago ::
Nov 11, 2012 - 12:57PM
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I've seen alot of threads about this but not one have a seen a good reason why its an issue, maybe I've been playing wrong but every since I started playing back in high school two things have always been true to keep this from being an issue
1) Its essentially up to the DM in most cases
2) It's impossible to get a full 8 hours of sleep in a hostile area.
These 2 rules (mainly the second one) make the 5 Minute work day a non-issue
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8 months ago ::
Nov 11, 2012 - 1:02PM
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I don't actually understand why everyone's so up in arms about it either. It's never been an issue for me or mine.
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8 months ago ::
Nov 11, 2012 - 1:04PM
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It is not a problem for me and i do not want to sacrifice mechanics i am fond of in order to fix something there is not broken for me.
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8 months ago ::
Nov 11, 2012 - 1:06PM
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It is not a problem for me and i do not want to sacrifice mechanics i am fond of in order to fix something there is not broken for me.
Then houserule.
We summoned a devil once. All we used was the D&D books, too. It was pretty kwazy.
God of Arrested Development and Intelligence 
Resident Left Hand of Stalin and Banana Stand Grandstander
Pie-Cooling-On-A-Windowsill of the House of Trolls
In the morning HK'll be sober but you'll still be a meatbag.
I know I misspell "Danke" in my posts. It's an inside joke.
"Ten cents gets you nuts." -George Michael
Spoiler:
Show
''Being president is like running a cemetery: you've got a lot of people under you and nobody's listening.''
—Bill Clinton
Marketing and design are two different things. For instance the snuggy was designed for people in wheel chairs and marketed to people that are too incompetent to operate a blanket.
You are not a moral man. There are not enough middle fingers in the world for you.
Why do I get a silly PG-13 man giggle going everytime I see Fist Of The Forest ?
I do not understand. I can't give a game to a friend?
You can, but only once. That friend can't give it to anyone else. The holy corporation has spoken. Stop complaining and give them all your money.
But how will they know?
I do not play video games.
then why do you care? 
Why do you care that I care?
i'm curious
You are? Cool! Here is a hornet's nest. Stick your [redacted] in it to see what happens.
And do not call me a Yank. I am a Québecois, basically your better.
I heard samsung is making shoes that are making you run faster too.
Liar. Hipsters don't run. It's too mainstream.
Actually, Santa just didn't like you. However, you weren't on the Naughty List, so he had to give you something "better" than coal.
I'd take coal. Heating your house is expesive, and engery cost arn't going down.
Mabey if i beat enough homeless people, i won't have to be cold this year. 
"Heroes"...I wish I had those. I remember in my first-ever campaign one PC went around shootin all the unconscious baddies in the head to gain Dark Side Points...
Whaaaaaat?!??
Wow...way to waste perfectly good potential slaves.
Er...no wait I mean..uh...something not evil!
(Quotes screwed up on the next one, won't give the poster's name. It's in the Best Lines thread on the D&D forum)
First, an experience from a game I played in a few years back. Our DM didn't like 3.5 as a whole but liked parts of it. So he hands us a big ass rules packet for his modified FR campaign, complete with quotes from important NPC's on the front. I can't remember most of the HRs, just that some how gods like Cyric and Bhaal existed at the same time, despite the obvious problems there. In the end the game became a problem more because of the railroading than the HRs, but it ended with this classic line, after our ranger tried to disarm the strange woman following us WITH HIS BOW: DM: You just killed (insert random noble sounding name here) JP: Was she important? Jack: Dude, she's quoted on the front of the rules packet!
"Why in the wide,wide, world of all things irrational would I help you?
-Daniel Jackson
"Fun will now commence."
-Seven of Nine
"Excellent."
-Mr. Burns.
Whey is a crotch.
Cut the last encounter on your way out after dealing with the Darth. He's the BBEG. Treat him as such. Play up that Darth Revan is THAT much of a badarse. When the shuttle landed, I had no less than 13 JEDI MASTERS step off the shuttle. The PCs were slack-jawed. After the meetup with Bastila (as she's carrying Revan's body), only TWO jedi masters remained with her. Let me tell you, the player whining about not getting to fight Revan himself shut up pretty quickly when he saw that. 
There's so much you can do with insanity, especially when it has alot of resources.
1. Cleric cast protection from fire on Tank.
2. Tank goes in and get surrounded by enemies.
3. Wizard cast fireball and blows them up.
4. ???
5. Profit
I go by the saying," If it ain't friendly fire then it's not working."
And the greatest post moderation of all time...
I gave that (Content Removed) a to-scale Lego replica. (Content Removed) love to-scale Lego replicas.
(ORC_Cerberus: Edited - Vulgarity is against the Code of Conduct)
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8 months ago ::
Nov 11, 2012 - 1:08PM
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It isn't. The whole thing's overemphasized.
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8 months ago ::
Nov 11, 2012 - 1:08PM
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Date Joined:
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It is not a problem for me and i do not want to sacrifice mechanics i am fond of in order to fix something there is not broken for me.
Then houserule.
Why should i discard my current time and money investment in rules there works for me and that I am fond of (3.5) in order to get a fix for something there is not broken for me in order to house rule it back to what it was
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8 months ago ::
Nov 11, 2012 - 1:08PM
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Date Joined:
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Probably this should be fixed the same way we're told everything else in 5e is going to be fixed: present a list of options for the DM to pick from, one of them being "nothing". Then offer some guidance about what methods are better suited to what and stress that if they're not experiencing a problem then there's no need to worry about a system.
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8 months ago ::
Nov 11, 2012 - 1:09PM
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Date Joined:
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I've seen alot of threads about this but not one have a seen a good reason why its an issue, maybe I've been playing wrong but every since I started playing back in high school two things have always been true to keep this from being an issue
1) Its essentially up to the DM in most cases
2) It's impossible to get a full 8 hours of sleep in a hostile area.
These 2 rules (mainly the second one) make the 5 Minute work day a non-issue
Why a new thread?
These issues are covered in the existing thread over and over again.
1) The DM generally has to house-rule or story-craft to force the players into not resting when it would be most advantageous. Mostly, they do it almost unconsciously e.g. "No of course you can't go back to sleep, it's 9am and you're still on full adrenaline from that fight! You'd never relax." But in extreme cases they may resort to in-game punishment (yes they found your Rope Trick planar pocket and you're being attacked! a-Ha!) or craft campaigns that work on a compressed timeline .. These games can be a lot of fun (Imagine playing in a game based on the TV Series 24. Although I'd expect that campaign would not feature any vancian casters) - but games where the timeline is at the players discretion, the 5MWD may rear it's head.
2) There are many ways to circumvent sleeping in hostile areas. Rope Trick, Leomunds Hut, Solace Bole, Teleporting back to Town, etc. There were even spells in previous editions that allowed a full rest to occur in less time, such as "Nap" (Cleric, 2nd edition).. These are all system-supported rules to allow for "hassle-free resting". It's as if the designers realized that the precipitous drop of the casters effectiveness needed patching. :D
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8 months ago ::
Nov 11, 2012 - 1:13PM
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Date Joined:
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It is not a problem for me and i do not want to sacrifice mechanics i am fond of in order to fix something there is not broken for me.
Then houserule.
Why should i discard my current time and money investment in rules there works for me and that I am fond of (3.5) in order to get a fix for something there is not broken for me in order to house rule it back to what it was
Apart from your incredibly confusing sentence structure, if you aren't interested in buying a new system then why are you on the 5e boards in discussions? If yiou have no interest in the product then you probably have no interest in seeing it succeed.
Or, why should you invest your valuable time in posting on a forum for a game you will not get in the hopes of getting a masive company to listen to you.
We summoned a devil once. All we used was the D&D books, too. It was pretty kwazy.
God of Arrested Development and Intelligence
Resident Left Hand of Stalin and Banana Stand Grandstander
Pie-Cooling-On-A-Windowsill of the House of Trolls
In the morning HK'll be sober but you'll still be a meatbag.
I know I misspell "Danke" in my posts. It's an inside joke.
"Ten cents gets you nuts." -George Michael
Spoiler:
Show
''Being president is like running a cemetery: you've got a lot of people under you and nobody's listening.''
—Bill Clinton
Marketing and design are two different things. For instance the snuggy was designed for people in wheel chairs and marketed to people that are too incompetent to operate a blanket.
You are not a moral man. There are not enough middle fingers in the world for you.
Why do I get a silly PG-13 man giggle going everytime I see Fist Of The Forest ?
I do not understand. I can't give a game to a friend?
You can, but only once. That friend can't give it to anyone else. The holy corporation has spoken. Stop complaining and give them all your money.
But how will they know?
I do not play video games.
then why do you care?
Why do you care that I care?
i'm curious
You are? Cool! Here is a hornet's nest. Stick your [redacted] in it to see what happens.
And do not call me a Yank. I am a Québecois, basically your better.
I heard samsung is making shoes that are making you run faster too.
Liar. Hipsters don't run. It's too mainstream.
Actually, Santa just didn't like you. However, you weren't on the Naughty List, so he had to give you something "better" than coal.
I'd take coal. Heating your house is expesive, and engery cost arn't going down.
Mabey if i beat enough homeless people, i won't have to be cold this year.
"Heroes"...I wish I had those. I remember in my first-ever campaign one PC went around shootin all the unconscious baddies in the head to gain Dark Side Points...
Whaaaaaat?!??
Wow...way to waste perfectly good potential slaves.
Er...no wait I mean..uh...something not evil!
(Quotes screwed up on the next one, won't give the poster's name. It's in the Best Lines thread on the D&D forum)
First, an experience from a game I played in a few years back. Our DM didn't like 3.5 as a whole but liked parts of it. So he hands us a big ass rules packet for his modified FR campaign, complete with quotes from important NPC's on the front. I can't remember most of the HRs, just that some how gods like Cyric and Bhaal existed at the same time, despite the obvious problems there. In the end the game became a problem more because of the railroading than the HRs, but it ended with this classic line, after our ranger tried to disarm the strange woman following us WITH HIS BOW: DM: You just killed (insert random noble sounding name here) JP: Was she important? Jack: Dude, she's quoted on the front of the rules packet!
"Why in the wide,wide, world of all things irrational would I help you?
-Daniel Jackson
"Fun will now commence."
-Seven of Nine
"Excellent."
-Mr. Burns.
Whey is a crotch.
Cut the last encounter on your way out after dealing with the Darth. He's the BBEG. Treat him as such. Play up that Darth Revan is THAT much of a badarse. When the shuttle landed, I had no less than 13 JEDI MASTERS step off the shuttle. The PCs were slack-jawed. After the meetup with Bastila (as she's carrying Revan's body), only TWO jedi masters remained with her. Let me tell you, the player whining about not getting to fight Revan himself shut up pretty quickly when he saw that.
There's so much you can do with insanity, especially when it has alot of resources.
1. Cleric cast protection from fire on Tank.
2. Tank goes in and get surrounded by enemies.
3. Wizard cast fireball and blows them up.
4. ???
5. Profit
I go by the saying," If it ain't friendly fire then it's not working."
And the greatest post moderation of all time...
I gave that (Content Removed) a to-scale Lego replica. (Content Removed) love to-scale Lego replicas.
(ORC_Cerberus: Edited - Vulgarity is against the Code of Conduct)
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8 months ago ::
Nov 11, 2012 - 1:14PM
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Date Joined:
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It is not a problem for me and i do not want to sacrifice mechanics i am fond of in order to fix something there is not broken for me.
Then houserule.
Why should i discard my current time and money investment in rules there works for me and that I am fond of (3.5) in order to get a fix for something there is not broken for me in order to house rule it back to what it was
Why discard your current time and money investment for new rules anyway? Whether they work or not? You've already got a product you're invested in. It's highly unlikely even a 'perfect' game could entice you to purchase it. You've already made it abundantly clear in every thread you've participated in that 5e won't be getting your money.
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