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7 months ago ::
Nov 08, 2012 - 4:23PM
#121
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I think you'll find that adding an insulting ape of a real world culture and religion into one of their settings isn't going to be on WotCs agenda any time soon.
I'm fascinated by how they will resolve the issue, because they are damned either way on this one.
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7 months ago ::
Nov 08, 2012 - 4:23PM
#122
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mexrage Elminster can be busy or he is tied up helping Mystra maintain the weave. Or an invading BBEG is more powerful than him but he can be taken down indirectly by the PCs (throwing the one ring into mount doom).
Admiral I don't think anyone wold care to much about the Egyptian pantheon being removed in a somewhat logical manner. I was leaning towards Set transforming into the world serpent and eating them or something like that. Serpentes gets reborn in the Mulhorand lands. That would have made sense. There were hints as early as 1996 the Mulhorand pantheon was on the chopping block.
Reducing a character to a list of dice rolls and modifiers is not role playing*
*pg 30, AD&D 2nd Ed DMG, 1989.
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7 months ago ::
Nov 08, 2012 - 4:25PM
#123
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How did we get onto Forgotten Realms?
I think we ALL know that the transition to 4th for the Realms was borked.
They could EASILY have justified the addition of Dragonborn and Tieflings without slapping the setting around the way they did.
Not all the changes were bad (ditching the "WTF are you doing here?" Egyptian pantheon was a good move and the revived Empire of Shade was just AWESOME) but much of it was just... too much.
But it's irellevant to the point that no version of 3.X is going to be acceptable to the pre-3rd and 4th Ed players that WotC need to push Next into REALLY profitable territory.
"One edition to bring them all and in the darkness bind them" isn't a WANT, it's a NEED.
It is a very good question, but in my mind, the fate of the realms is at least 20 times more important than the future of D&D rule mechanics. I can always use 3.5 rules with house rules or pathfinder rules in a realms campaigns, that is, convincing WOTC to give us our realms back and make products we want to buy instead of avoid like the plague seems more important than specific D&D mechanics there can be ignored by using a competitor product.
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7 months ago ::
Nov 08, 2012 - 4:26PM
#124
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I think you'll find that adding an insulting ape of a real world culture and religion into one of their settings isn't going to be on WotCs agenda any time soon.
I'm fascinated by how they will resolve the issue, because they are damned either way on this one.
Well, i expect many of the old FR fans to boycot 5E FR if mulhorandi and it's pantheon is not back in the realms
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7 months ago ::
Nov 08, 2012 - 4:29PM
#125
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Do we operate under the assumption that fans of coke never drink Pepsi?
Why do paizo customers never buy D&D? Why do D&D customers not buy Paizo?
I thought this was the same market - rpgamers. The price point isn't so high that one product excludes the other.
I don't buy from one game company exclusively - I don't know if anyone does.
Will WOTC really lose ALL the $ to Paizo just based on FR decisions? I don't think so. Doesn't pass the smell-test.
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7 months ago ::
Nov 08, 2012 - 4:29PM
#126
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mexrage Elminster can be busy or he is tied up helping Mystra maintain the weave. Or an invading BBEG is more powerful than him but he can be taken down indirectly by the PCs (throwing the one ring into mount doom).
It would still be extremly artificial...to the point of feeling like lazy writing if it was a story on a book, movie, series.
The players basically being stuck between this Titanic conflict between someone that command both chromatic and metallic dragons that want to resurrect Io, Asmodeus manipulating an entire continent to it's will to get that power that would resurrect Io for himself and turn the material world into the 10th Hell, Tharizdun wanting to use that power to erradicate all existence...and that power having it's origin came from the Far Realm..., player characters making a deal with a far realm entity to travel 15 years back in time, because of their actions, Tharizdun won on the original timeline, so now they are messing up with EVERYTHING and the timeline is already completly diferent than what was originally (also because of this, the players know and have an edge over even the gods)....that's the kind of campaing i DM
EDIT: edited to make more sense
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7 months ago ::
Nov 08, 2012 - 4:33PM
#127
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A continent huh? My worlds perched on a demiplane about to topple into Abbadon. Best part is the worlds BBEG are the only thing preventing it while the fiends are trying to draw into Abbaddon/Hells/Abyss.
Some of those Shades and netherise undead were more powerful than Eliminster. Its not like he can charge in spells blazing.
Reducing a character to a list of dice rolls and modifiers is not role playing*
*pg 30, AD&D 2nd Ed DMG, 1989.
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7 months ago ::
Nov 08, 2012 - 4:33PM
#128
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Do we operate under the assumption that fans of coke never drink Pepsi? Why do paizo customers never buy D&D? Why do D&D customers not buy Paizo? I thought this was the same market - rpgamers. The price point isn't so high that one product excludes the other. I don't buy from one game company exclusively - I don't know if anyone does. Will WOTC really lose ALL the $ to Paizo just based on FR decisions? I don't think so. Doesn't pass the smell-test.
Yeah, I agree. Why do I HAVE to choose between Star Trek and Star Wars? I like both, and if you don't like it, too bad for you.
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It does little to attempt to simulate anything either. (AD&D) is first and foremost a game for the fun and enjoyment of those who seek the use of imagination and creativity....
In all cases, however, the reader should understand that AD&D is designed to be an amusing and diverting pastime, something which an fill a few hours or consume endless days, as the participants desire, but in no case something to be taken too seriously.
For fun, excitement and captivating fantasy, AD&D is unsurpassed.As a realistic simulation of things from the realm of make-believe or even as a reflection of midieval or ancient warfare or culture or society, it can be deemed only a dismal failure. Readers who seek the later must search elsewhere. - Gary Gygax. 1e DMG.
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7 months ago ::
Nov 08, 2012 - 4:35PM
#129
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mexrage Elminster can be busy or he is tied up helping Mystra maintain the weave. Or an invading BBEG is more powerful than him but he can be taken down indirectly by the PCs (throwing the one ring into mount doom).
It would still be extremly artificial...to the point of feeling like lazy writing if it was a story on a book, movie, series.
Even more because on the campaing i DM usually scale to things that erradicate life on half continent kind of things, Asmodeus ploting against everybody even trickering and manipulating other deities, Tharizdun moving thru the shadows trying to us all the conflict to ignite the end of all existence, and former champion of bahamut that slain Tiamat trying to bring back Io...and Far Realm!
Well, I guess, most of the old FR fans has either felt it was interesting to keep reading about the realms (even if they have stopped roleplaying, but they want to see what happens in the realms) or they are running campaigns the feel is suitable to the realms and it's high lore complexity with many npc's.
There has to be lots of fans there has felt like that prior to 4E since the FR campaign setting has sold extremely well for a very long time.
It is a lot of sale to give up to satisfy potential customers there want a low lore complexity setting with few books on their purchasing list based upon the philosoply "less is more"
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7 months ago ::
Nov 08, 2012 - 4:35PM
#130
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New FR will solve a few arguments I suppose. It could be a reboot, spellplague or multi-era like Star Wars.
Reducing a character to a list of dice rolls and modifiers is not role playing*
*pg 30, AD&D 2nd Ed DMG, 1989.
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