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No Radiant Shield is a power that note otherwise and say that the target is marked by your aegis of shielding until the end of your next turn when aegis of shielding doesn't have such duration. Thundering Vortex is not.

RAW Thundering Vortex doesn't say the target is marked by your aegis of shielding until the end of your next turn.


Aegis of Shielding: The target is instead marked by your aegis of shielding until the end of your next turn. 

Hey, you know what's cool? Citing rules! Ok, it's not really cool, but it is a lot more constructive.

There's barely any useful information in the rules for Class Feature Riders, the only relevant text tells us that you have to have that feature in order to apply the rider (duh) and that "Many class feature riders are indented and are therefore contingent on another entry in a power." What this means in the case of Thundering Vortex is that the Aegis of Shielding rider is contingent on Hitting (being the power entry it is indented under). What this doesn't mean is that the rider is "instead of" any other part of the Hit Entry, unless the Rider states that it is (and in this case, it doesn't state that), or to put it another way, there is nothing in the rules that tells you to read an Indented Rider in a manner other than simply being in addition to anything else in the Power Entry it is Indented under.

In terms of how you use the power, this is how the rules say to read it, in effect.
"Hit: 2d8 + Intelligence modifier thunder damage, and you pull the target 2 squares. The target is marked until the end of your next turn.  If you have the Aegis of Shielding class feature, then the target is marked by your aegis of shielding. Marking the target does not remove the mark on another target already affected by your aegis of shielding."

So you deal damage, pull the target, mark it EonT, and subject it to the effect of your Aegis of Shielding (if you have the class feature).

And if you want precedent: The wording of the rider is identical to the wording of Swordmages Decree and Aegis of Lost Souls, AND the wording is different from the wording of Aegis Sigil and Radiant Shield only by the inclusion of a shorter duration on the later. All of these powers were writen by the same person.

Riders are in addition to whatever else the power does, and are only contingent on the Power Entry they are indented under (if unindented, they are treated as an Effect line), unless otherwise noted. Augment entries, on the other hand, always replace the Power Entry they list, unless otherwise noted.

Nov 9, 2012 -- 4:37PM, Mand12 wrote:

In addition to the above, the RAI argument:

Thundering Vortex is an encounter powers, and encounter powers typically do not apply EoE effects, but rather EoNT effects.

Yeah looking at from an RAI angle I agree completely (just some wishful hoping to be wrong) As for Aegis OF lost souls, I am interpreting that one as an EoE effect since it is explicitly marked by the "power"

Thank you for the answers everyone. 

Effects with unspecified durations have a duration of 5 minutes or EoE.

These are really basic duration rules we're talking about here.  That you're getting them wrong concerns me...

Just for clarities sake, Mand, were you agreeing with me that Thundering Vortex is not EoNT not an EonT mark if you have Aegis of Shielding, and were just posting what you think RAI is for discussions sake?

And yeah, Wandering Swordmages can be jerks with Total Aegis by making entire armies suck until they use their Aegis power again.