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7 months ago ::
Nov 06, 2012 - 8:27PM
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You come across a bunch of statues that are obviously the result of a medusa's or basilisk's petrification.
The PC's detect magic on the bodies of the statues or in the backpack.
They remove the backpack... chisel it off the statue. They take their time to do a good job so the backpack is not harmed.
Assuming that the magic items magic still operates when petrified, here's the question ... Can the backpack have the petrification removed?
Will Remove Affliction work? What other ways can the backpack be reverted back to normal and the magic item removed from it?
I was thinking that petrification turns the person and everything on the person into stone. So the remove affliction can work in reverse. But the ritual description says "... wipes away a single enduring effect afflicting the subject... All effects of the curse or other effect end.". So if there is no subject to remove the affliction from in the first place then the ritual does not work and the items can not be turned back to normal.
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7 months ago ::
Nov 06, 2012 - 8:52PM
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May 12, 2009
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It doesn't look like Remove Affliction was designed to work on petrified items but on character. As opposed to Rituals, Powers that target creatures may also target objects at the DM's discretion, and so power that can remove a condition, such as Orb of Karmic Resonance, could potentially be used on a petrified item. Remove Affliction: The result indicates the amount of damage the character takes. Assuming the character survives, this damage can be healed normally.
Yan
Montréal, Canada
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7 months ago ::
Nov 07, 2012 - 7:15AM
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I would assume that petrification, at least via a gaze attack, only affects the person in question, not his gear. If blind targets are immune, I would assume an object, lacking eyes, would qualify as blind.
If not, Medusas would walk around petrifying trees, grass, water, air ...
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7 months ago ::
Nov 07, 2012 - 10:22AM
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I would assume that petrification, at least via a gaze attack, only affects the person in question, not his gear.
The picture on MM p.186 has the person's gear also turned to stone, and the text above it says that Female Medusas "use their gaze to turn other creatures to stone, and their lairs are filled with lifelike statues".
This is consistant with legend, related media and previous editions. Examples:
3.5e Flesh to stone: "The subject, along with all its carried gear, turns into a mindless, inert statue"
AD&D Flesh to stone: "All possessions on the person of the creature likewise turn to stone"
etc.
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7 months ago ::
Nov 08, 2012 - 5:37AM
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Dec 22, 2010
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How about using the Make Whole ritual?
"A single object that can fit in a 10-foot cube is completely repaired. The component cost is 20 percent of the item’s cost. In cases where you attempt to repair an item not on any price list, the DM determines the cost."
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7 months ago ::
Nov 08, 2012 - 10:12AM
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Jun 15, 2004
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It doesn't look like Remove Affliction was designed to work on petrified items but on character.
That doesn't mean one couldn't use Remove Affliction on a non-character (and semantically: an item can be a 'subject')'. As a DM, I'd allow it. At worst: maybe have the caster make a skill check to get it to work.
As opposed to Rituals, Powers that target creatures may also target objects at the DM's discretion
Your statement indicates that you believe that Rituals that target creatures may not target objects at the DM's discretion. How did you conclude this?
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7 months ago ::
Nov 08, 2012 - 10:22AM
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Jun 17, 2010
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4e isn't designed to provide rules for things that don't require rules. This is one of those cases - use your judgment, likely with a heavy dose of "Saying Yes"
D&D Next = D&D: Quantum Edition
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7 months ago ::
Nov 08, 2012 - 10:32AM
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I would assume that petrification, at least via a gaze attack, only affects the person in question, not his gear.
The picture on MM p.186 has the person's gear also turned to stone, and the text above it says that Female Medusas "use their gaze to turn other creatures to stone, and their lairs are filled with lifelike statues".
This is consistant with legend, related media and previous editions. Examples:
3.5e Flesh to stone: "The subject, along with all its carried gear, turns into a mindless, inert statue"
AD&D Flesh to stone: "All possessions on the person of the creature likewise turn to stone"
etc.
Art is irrelevant, previous editions are irrelevant, legends are irrelevant.
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7 months ago ::
Nov 08, 2012 - 10:38AM
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Your assumptions are also irrelevant, what's your point?
D&D Next = D&D: Quantum Edition
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7 months ago ::
Nov 08, 2012 - 10:40AM
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My analysis has a firm basis in the rules. An object cannot see; if you cannot see, you are blind. If you are blind, you are immune to gaze attacks. As I stated, if you'd actually care to go back and read my first post in this thread.
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