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7 months ago ::
Nov 08, 2012 - 11:18PM
#331
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I see some weaknesses on your analysis.
1. If you have blink active and Bite, one of two things will happen.
-Ankheg states that any creature grabbed/bit travels with the Ankheg, meaning that blink just drags the green dragon with it.
-You blink, turn etherial, and no longer have a bite/Grab on the green dragon.
This means you either lose the automatic damage, or you lose the 50/50 chance of being hit.
Actually the earlier editions described the ethereal plane as a kind of hazy shadow of the prime material plane where you can see and feel everything on the prime material, but can't affect it. So you could retain your hold, since you aren't traveling anywhere, you are plane shifting, which is a totally different thing. We are also talking RAW here and Blink doesn't specify that grabbed creatures plane shift with you.
This is where you are wrong.
From the spell Blink:
Unless you have magic that can reach across
planes, you can affect and be affected only be
things on the Ethereal Plane while you are
absent.
So, rules as written, you can't maintain your hold, as doing so would require you to be able to affect things across the planes.
And I already agreed with that... please keep up...
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7 months ago ::
Nov 08, 2012 - 11:21PM
#332
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Rounds it takes a level 8 Fighter to kill a Green Dragon is 9 rounds.
Rounds it takes a Green Dragon to kill a level 8 Fighter is 15 rounds.
Is anybody disputing this.. they seem obcessed with the wizard?
Well, by raw numbers, no. There's always that problem that a dragon can, um, you know, fly. D:
And out fly arrows I suppose
The point is runnaway shouldnt be the dragons optimal strategy
Exactly. If the Dragon has to really try hard to come up with a strategy to defeat something that is supposed to be so weak they need to gang up with 4 of their friends to stand a chance, there is something wrong. The difference in damage from the melee Fighter and the ranged Fighter is a about 5 points on average so they might lose one round to the melee fighter. That's the only real difference...
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7 months ago ::
Nov 09, 2012 - 8:40AM
#333
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A tough encounter for 1 level 8 character is 1670 xp. For a 10th level character it's about 3110 xp. The green dragon is worth 4850 xp
Therefore it looks like the XP budget for a green dragon would be the same as a level 12 encounter.
Now, the play test clearly says that a single monster whose value is greater than the XP budget for a tough encounter has a prety good chance of a TPK. Notice that it doesn't say it's impossible to kill such a creature. It then tells the DM to steer clear of these monsters for "normal encounters".
After considering this, I really don't see the problem here. This scenario is not a "normal encounter". So what if the wizard has a slim chance of killing the dragon? Isn't that the way D&D Next was designed? Are monsters of various levels not more viable in this edition?
Lets not forget that the green dragon is only 4 levels of an encounter above the wizard. In this scenario, the wizard has a knowledge advantage and time to prepare the spells he needs.
With that said, I do think it's highly unlikely that the wizard can kill the green dragon, but the fact that he might have a slim chance is great news for the game. In this case the designers have accomplished their goal of making monsters more viable. If anything, lokiare is simply confirming this fact with his arguments, he just has a problem considering the dragon to be anything other than a 4e solo monster (which do not exist in 5e )
I honestly like the fact that characters have a chance to kill a deadly monster now. As the DM, if the 1st level PC's want to ambush a hill giant I don't have to redesign him to make him level approrpiate. Sure they'll have to prepare, set up countless traps, and hope that everything goes according to plan, but the fact that they have a chance now, and don't have to deal with ridiculous AC values / attack bonuses, is great news for the system.
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7 months ago ::
Nov 09, 2012 - 8:52AM
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Rounds it takes a level 8 Fighter to kill a Green Dragon is 9 rounds.
Rounds it takes a Green Dragon to kill a level 8 Fighter is 15 rounds.
Is anybody disputing this.. they seem obcessed with the wizard?
Well, by raw numbers, no. There's always that problem that a dragon can, um, you know, fly. D:
Lets not forget that monsters can also use combat actions like disarm. 
"The dragon snaps the bow out of your hands, breaks it into splinters, and sets it aside to be used later as a tooth pick."
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7 months ago ::
Nov 09, 2012 - 10:36AM
#335
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Rounds it takes a level 8 Fighter to kill a Green Dragon is 9 rounds.
Rounds it takes a Green Dragon to kill a level 8 Fighter is 15 rounds.
Is anybody disputing this.. they seem obcessed with the wizard?
Well, by raw numbers, no. There's always that problem that a dragon can, um, you know, fly. D:
Lets not forget that monsters can also use combat actions like disarm.
"The dragon snaps the bow out of your hands, breaks it into splinters, and sets it aside to be used later as a tooth pick."
Well, now, isn't that just miserable?
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7 months ago ::
Nov 09, 2012 - 11:14AM
#336
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Rounds it takes a level 8 Fighter to kill a Green Dragon is 9 rounds.
Rounds it takes a Green Dragon to kill a level 8 Fighter is 15 rounds.
Is anybody disputing this.. they seem obcessed with the wizard?
Well, by raw numbers, no. There's always that problem that a dragon can, um, you know, fly. D:
Lets not forget that monsters can also use combat actions like disarm.
"The dragon snaps the bow out of your hands, breaks it into splinters, and sets it aside to be used later as a tooth pick."
Well, now, isn't that just miserable?
Yes or no.
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7 months ago ::
Nov 09, 2012 - 11:16AM
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Cant decide can I melt/over heat his weapon with the ummm Strength of my Dragons Breath.. that would be a Dragon disarm maneuver.
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7 months ago ::
Nov 09, 2012 - 12:18PM
#338
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I think they should bring back wing buffets as a dragon attack.
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7 months ago ::
Nov 09, 2012 - 12:29PM
#339
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I think they should bring back wing buffets as a dragon attack.
Yes, true, I knew something was missing from that attack block 
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7 months ago ::
Nov 09, 2012 - 1:31PM
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I think they should bring back wing buffets as a dragon attack.
Yes, true, I knew something was missing from that attack block
And should be able in one round to use all of their attacks (1 bite, 2 claws, 1 tail slap, and 2 wing buffets).
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