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 7 months ago  ::  Nov 05, 2012 - 6:01PM #1 20GOTO10 Date Joined: Aug 31, 2012 Posts: 4 So, just thinking around about this. You can only take one standard action a turn, correct? Thus, a standard action must take up more than half of a turn. You can only take a maximum of two moves, thus, they must take up more than a third of a turn. You can only take three minors, thus they must take up more than a quarter of a turn. A quick addition turns out that each turn must take up at least 13/12 turns. And, if we add in immediate actions, which can only be used once per turn and must take up at least half a turn, then a turn takes up more than 19/12 turns. Des anyone see an error here, and how is this possible? Quick Reply Cancel Quote message in reply? 7 months ago  ::  Nov 05, 2012 - 6:51PM #2 Plaguescarred Date Joined: May 12, 2009 Posts: 16,564 A round is about 6 seconds. A turn has no defined lenght.Also there is no limit as to how many standard, move or minor actions you can take in a turn. You get one of each on your turn, but if you have ways to gain more of them (Action Points, Eldritch Speed, Urgent Aggression etc..) you can certainly take them with no usage limitation.Also, Immediate actions can be used once per round, not once per turn.Opportunity action 1/turnImmediate action 1/round YanMontréal, Canada Quick Reply Cancel Quote message in reply? 7 months ago  ::  Nov 05, 2012 - 7:53PM #3 Salla Date Joined: Apr 3, 2003 Posts: 23,525 A turn is 'however long it takes you to do your stuff'.  A round is 'however long it takes everybody to do their stuff'. Another day, another three or four entries to my Ignore List. Quick Reply Cancel Quote message in reply? 7 months ago  ::  Nov 05, 2012 - 10:01PM #4 Fireclave Date Joined: Apr 29, 2006 Posts: 2,149 It's also important to keep in mind that actions are abstractions used to both keep the game fair and running smoothly.  While we may resolve the game using turn-based mechanics, in the narrative, everyone is acting simultaneously with everyone else in any given round.  And all of those actions, more or less, flow into each other.At the table, the player of the dragonborn fighter decides to move 5 squares to an orc (move), shield bash it (standard), and uses his dragonbreath (minor).  His movement triggers an opportunity attack from a kobold, but it misses.In narrative, for example, this could happen in one fluid motion.  The dragonborn fighter is barreling down on his foe.  Before he even reaches his target, he's already raising his shield, both to slam into the orc and simultaneously deflect a stray attack from a kobold whose too preoccupied with a different target to take full advantage of the opportunity.  Immediately after his shield makes contact with the orc, before the orc's feet even return to the ground, he blasts the orc to cinders with a gout of lightning.Though that's just one way the actions could be described. Thinking about creating a race for 4e?  Make things a lil' easier on yourself by reading my Race Mechanic Creation Guide first. Quick Reply Cancel Quote message in reply? 6 months ago  ::  Dec 01, 2012 - 7:18AM #5 notrecommended Date Joined: Oct 28, 2012 Posts: 16 Nov 5, 2012 -- 6:01PM, 20GOTO10 wrote:So, just thinking around about this. You can only take one standard action a turn, correct? Thus, a standard action must take up more than half of a turn. You can only take a maximum of two moves, thus, they must take up more than a third of a turn. You can only take three minors, thus they must take up more than a quarter of a turn. A quick addition turns out that each turn must take up at least 13/12 turns. And, if we add in immediate actions, which can only be used once per turn and must take up at least half a turn, then a turn takes up more than 19/12 turns. Des anyone see an error here, and how is this possible?These don't have set time costs.  Whatever you do with your turn, it takes 6 seconds. Quick Reply Cancel Quote message in reply? 6 months ago  ::  Dec 01, 2012 - 7:46AM #6 Plaguescarred Date Joined: May 12, 2009 Posts: 16,564 Its not a turn that takes 6 seconds, but a round.If your turn would take 6 seconds, the duration of a round would be affected by the number of creature acting. A round always have about the same duration regardless of the number creatures taking turns.RC 189 Round: A round represents about 6 seconds in the game world. In a round, every combatant takes a turn. YanMontréal, Canada Quick Reply Cancel Quote message in reply? 6 months ago  ::  Dec 01, 2012 - 8:46AM #7 Mirtek Dragon Slayer Date Joined: Aug 4, 2001 Posts: 3,452 Dec 1, 2012 -- 7:46AM, Plaguescarred wrote:If your turn would take 6 seconds, the duration of a round would be affected by the number of creature acting. A round always have about the same duration regardless of the number creatures taking turns.That's because all creatures are assumed to take their turn simultaneously, it's just for the benefit of us human players that we take the turns one creature at a time. Quick Reply Cancel Quote message in reply? 6 months ago  ::  Dec 02, 2012 - 7:13AM #8 Plaguescarred Date Joined: May 12, 2009 Posts: 16,564 I dont know if your assumption is written anywhere.Also there's some creatures able to take more than one turn during a round...(ex. Dolgrim Warrior. Ettin Berserker etc..) YanMontréal, Canada Quick Reply Cancel Quote message in reply? 6 months ago  ::  Dec 02, 2012 - 2:17PM #9 Alcestis Date Joined: Oct 7, 2009 Posts: 7,912 Dec 2, 2012 -- 7:13AM, Plaguescarred wrote:I dont know if your assumption is written anywhere.Also there's some creatures able to take more than one turn during a round...(ex. Dolgrim Warrior. Ettin Berserker etc..)PHB.The actions in a combat encounter happen almostsimultaneously in the game world, but to make combatmanageable, combatants take turns acting—like takingturns in a board game Quick Reply Cancel Quote message in reply? 6 months ago  ::  Dec 02, 2012 - 4:29PM #10 Mand12 Date Joined: Jun 17, 2010 Posts: 17,070 6 seconds per turn is one of those assumed rules that are a holdover from 3e.  It doesn't exist anywhere in 4e. D&D Next = D&D:  Quantum Edition Quick Reply Cancel Quote message in reply?
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