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7 months ago ::
Oct 29, 2012 - 12:06PM
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Date Joined:
Apr 15, 2001
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Personally I have a purely irrational hatred of the Monk. One ran over my cat- true story honest. I did not really like them in 1st ed let alone third ed. They are also the worst class in Pathfinder and my apathy towards them in 4th ed means I know they were a striker and that was about it. I like the gunslinger class in PF better than a Monk. Even if they had full BAB, level 9 spells and wildshape I would still dislike them.
As I said purely irrational. I'm not a massive fan of 4th ed either (I don't hate it had some pure gold in there) but I like 4th ed better than the Monk. Other people have these things called "opinions" and some of them disagree with me even. Stupid democratic ideals and all that. Anyway I was hoping D&DN would have all of the 3.5 core classes and the 4th ed core classes of Warlord and Warlock but that adds up to 13 classes and thats a messy number. 12 is a much nicer number and if they have to cut a class I would nominate the Monk based purely on irrational dislike of the stupid class. Class number 2 to cut would be the Warlord although I did actually like the class in 4th ed as it seems a but redundent with Bards and Paladins floating around and with no leader mechanic in DDN. On the plus side for the Warlord though at least the class is not a Monk.
World War II and the Nazis? Monk did it. The cold war, Monks fault. Disease, plague, death, Spiceworld movie and Britney Spears blame the Monk. 4th ed/Pathfinder depending on what side of the fence you like the Monk seems to be an obvious scapegoat IMHO.
Reducing a character to a list of dice rolls and modifiers is not role playing*
*pg 30, AD&D 2nd Ed DMG, 1989.
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7 months ago ::
Oct 29, 2012 - 12:08PM
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You Godwinned yourself in your initial post. Well done.
Another day, another three or four entries to my Ignore List.
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7 months ago ::
Oct 29, 2012 - 12:09PM
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Date Joined:
Apr 15, 2001
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I do my best.
Reducing a character to a list of dice rolls and modifiers is not role playing*
*pg 30, AD&D 2nd Ed DMG, 1989.
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7 months ago ::
Oct 29, 2012 - 12:16PM
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Date Joined:
Mar 26, 2007
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The Monk is my all-time favourite class, has been since 1st Ed, I have already done a monk conversion (using the 1st and 3rd Ed monk) for 5th Ed; that's one of the things I really dig about 5th Ed: it's very conversion friendly, next I'm working on Incarnates and Truenamers.
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7 months ago ::
Oct 29, 2012 - 12:19PM
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Date Joined:
Jan 15, 2009
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Well as long as the fighter is competant unnarmed and capable of specializing in that even, who cares if one has a monk...
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7 months ago ::
Oct 29, 2012 - 12:20PM
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Date Joined:
Feb 19, 2009
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I find that blame list highly offensive and out of line, and I am deeply offended.
You can't just go blaming someone for Spice World like that!
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7 months ago ::
Oct 29, 2012 - 12:23PM
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Date Joined:
Jan 29, 2005
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The 4e monk is actually pretty awesome and gives its own unique take on the AEDU mechanic. The Full Discipline. The 13th Age Monk takes this idea and goes straight into incredible with it. 
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7 months ago ::
Oct 29, 2012 - 12:26PM
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Date Joined:
Mar 26, 2007
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Well as long as the fighter is competant unnarmed and capable of specializing in that even, who cares if one has a monk...
Fighters don't have increased speed, can't talk to animals & plants, don't have extra resistance to ESP/mental attacks, cannot fall great distances unharmed, self-heal, etc, etc.
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7 months ago ::
Oct 29, 2012 - 12:33PM
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Date Joined:
Apr 28, 2009
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I love the Monk. It was my favorite PH class in AD&D, I was disappointed by it's Pathfinder incarnation, and the Monk is my almost-most played class in 4E.
I would like it if Fighters, and other melee classes, could be competent in unarmed combat with just a specialty... but, to me, a Monk needs missile deflection, the ability to teleport/fly short distances, self-healing, slow fall etc.
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7 months ago ::
Oct 29, 2012 - 12:38PM
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Date Joined:
Feb 19, 2009
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"but, to me, a Monk needs missile deflection, the ability to teleport/fly short distances, self-healing, slow fall etc."
Based on discussions in other threads, I believe it is Garthanos' position that a heroic fighter should be able to do all of those things listed, and thus a distinct "monk" class would not be required.
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