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7 months ago  ::  Oct 26, 2012 - 8:20PM #1
Asteron
Date Joined: Apr 16, 2009
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I have a new guy joining our group and he is a big comic book fan. He wants to be a Batman type character. Unfortunately, our group needs a leader... Are any of the leader classes suited to this?
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7 months ago  ::  Oct 26, 2012 - 8:30PM #2
troll-gar
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bard or warlord with stealth....
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7 months ago  ::  Oct 27, 2012 - 4:13PM #3
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Artificer would probably be the best bet. Emphasis on gear and all that.
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Jul 3, 2012 -- 2:15PM, ruttentud wrote:

"I don't like X, they should remove it."
"I like X, they should keep it."
"They should replace X with Y."
"Anybody that likes X is dumb. Y is better."
"Why don't they include both X and Y."
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Jul 4, 2012 -- 6:32PM, greatfrito wrote:

Until you've had an in-law tell you your choice of game was stupid, and just Warcraft on paper, and dumbed down for dumber players who can't handle a real RPG, you haven't lived.

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Jul 15, 2012 -- 11:19AM, wrecan wrote:

Lady and gentlemen.... I present to you the Edition War without Contrition, the War of the Web, the Mighty Match-up!

We're using standard edition war rules.  No posts of substance.  Do not read the other person's posts with comprehension.  Make frequent comparison to video games, MMOs, and CCGs.  Use the words "fallacy" and "straw man", incorrectly and often.  Passive aggressiveness gets you extra points and asking misleading and inflammatory questions is mandatory.  If you're getting tired, just declare victory and leave the thread.  Wait for the buzzer... and....

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Aug 5, 2012 -- 8:28PM, Rustmonster wrote:

D&D should not return to the days of blindfolding the DM and players. No tips on encounter power? No mention of expected party roles? No true meaning of level due to different level charts or tiered classes? Please, let's not sacrifice clear, helpful rules guidelines in favour of catering to the delicate sensibilities of the few who have problems with the ascetics of anything other than what they are familiar with.


Sep 14, 2012 -- 2:52PM, Grizley wrote:

Just a quick note on the MMORPG as an insult comparison...

MMORPGs, raking in money by the dumptruck full.  Many options, tons of fans across many audiences, massive resources allocated to development.

TTRPGs, dying product.  Squeaking out an existence that relys on low cost.  Fans fit primarily into a few small demographics.  R&D budgets small, often rushed to market and patched after deployment.

You're not really making much of an argument when you compare something to a MMORPG and assume people think that means bad.  Lets face it, they make the money, have the audience and the budget.  We here on this board are fans of TTRPGs but lets not try to pretend none of us play MMORPGs.


Nov 14, 2012 -- 8:11AM, Mand12 wrote:

Adding options at the system level is good.
Adding options at the table level is hard.

Removing options at the system level is bad.
Removing options at the table level is easy.

This is not complicated.


Mar 7, 2013 -- 6:57PM, Alter_Boy wrote:

Mar 7, 2013 -- 2:23PM, EnglishLanguage wrote:

Mar 7, 2013 -- 1:52PM, Rory wrote:

Something like Tactical Shift is more magical than martial healing.


Telling someone to move over a few feet is magical now? :|

I weep for this generation.



Given the laziness and morbid obsesity amongst D&Ders, being able to convince someone to get on their feet, do some heavy exercise, and use their words to make them be healthier must seem magical. 


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7 months ago  ::  Oct 27, 2012 - 9:25PM #4
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Thematically, artificier is probably the best fit out of the box since, like Batman, they're all about being crazy-prepared with gadgets.  It also doesn't hurt that the Int and Wis focused builds lend to being a good detectives. 

Bards are also a great option because they get a lot of trained skills and, with a small feat investment, can get sizable bonuses to their untrained skills.  Which works since not only is Batman crazy-prepared, he's also crazy good at pretty much everything.  Also, the Jynx Shot at-will makes for a great bat-o-rang attack.

In general, physical skills may be a bit of an issue since most leader builds (I think all?) lack dex as a key attribute (which hinders Acrobatics and Stealth), and often either lack strength as a key attribute or athletics as a key skills.  However, training (via background), the skill focus feat, skill powers, and a choice item or two can help considerably in making up for any deficiencies without too large of an investment.
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7 months ago  ::  Oct 28, 2012 - 11:49AM #5
Salla
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Pick a class and be a moping, emo, manipulative, sociopathic, untrusting douche?
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7 months ago  ::  Oct 28, 2012 - 11:50AM #6
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Oct 28, 2012 -- 11:49AM, Salla wrote:

Pick a class and be a moping, emo, manipulative douche?


What if I want to be Adam West Batman?

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7 months ago  ::  Oct 28, 2012 - 12:10PM #7
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Oct 28, 2012 -- 11:50AM, Qmark wrote:

Oct 28, 2012 -- 11:49AM, Salla wrote:

Pick a class and be a moping, emo, manipulative douche?


What if I want to be Adam West Batman?




Then you can be awesome instead.

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7 months ago  ::  Oct 28, 2012 - 9:09PM #8
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Bear in mind Batman's alignment too. It can be all over the place at times, but 'Chaotic Good' may be the best bet (I'm into comics too but he may have a specific Batman in mind). 

Batman would have to put points into almost everything, having an immense knowledge on any number of things, with a genius IQ, great strength and dexterity, etc. It sounds like a Bard may be the best choice, a human one since you can get two feats (one in improving all your untrained skills, and another for specializing in one particular (probably Intimidate* or Stealth), just a suggestion.

→   On the subject of Batman characters, I'm new to the game and have a Lawful Evil character in mind that would work similar to Batman's methods (deception, influence, and power I mean, not his combat). However, I hear Lawful Evil can conflict with most groups, and I also wanted to hear if my character backstory makes sense or if it's stupid, but I don't want to clutter the forums up with another thread.
Can anyone send me a private message, and take it from there?

*EDIT: Meant to put Intimidate not Bluff 
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7 months ago  ::  Oct 29, 2012 - 12:25PM #9
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Oct 28, 2012 -- 9:09PM, Moch wrote:

Bear in mind Batman's alignment too. It can be all over the place at times, but 'Chaotic Good' may be the best bet (I'm into comics too but he may have a specific Batman in mind). 

Batman would have to put points into almost everything, having an immense knowledge on any number of things, with a genius IQ, great strength and dexterity, etc. It sounds like a Bard may be the best choice, a human one since you can get two feats (one in improving all your untrained skills, and another for specializing in one particular (probably Intimidate* or Stealth), just a suggestion.

→   On the subject of Batman characters, I'm new to the game and have a Lawful Evil character in mind that would work similar to Batman's methods (deception, influence, and power I mean, not his combat). However, I hear Lawful Evil can conflict with most groups, and I also wanted to hear if my character backstory makes sense or if it's stupid, but I don't want to clutter the forums up with another thread.
Can anyone send me a private message, and take it from there?

*EDIT: Meant to put Intimidate not Bluff 




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7 months ago  ::  Oct 29, 2012 - 7:23PM #10
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ooooh oooooh I know! How about a bardIartificier with the alchemist theme! that could work!
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