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7 months ago ::
Nov 05, 2012 - 11:01PM
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Please feel free to point out where I lied?
Okay.
First the VTT was added to DDI *free* - it cost nothing.
False. It came with the DDI subscription, but that doesn't make it free. You couldn't invite all your friends to play it. They had to subscribe as well, as I did. By your logic, everything on RPGTO is available for free...so long as you have a GTO premium subscription for their board games.
However if you want access to monsters above 2nd level you need to pay extra. [snip] so the assertion that you can run campaigns for free is false.
False. It just means you can't import pre-made monsters. No big deal, I created most of mine from scratch in the first place.
Paying for the right to use tile sets I have already paid WotC for also feels like I am being charged twice.
What tile sets have you already paid for? I thought you said the VT was completely free? Besides, you GET two tile sets for free on the GTO VT that are the equivalent of what was available from WotC.
To actually use the VTT at GameTableOnline you NEED access to monsters above 2nd level - unless you play a very limited campaign where no one advances.
False.
cost to actually use it at GameTableOnline minimum of $8+ therefore they are selling it.
False.
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Yep, looks like lies and misinformation to me.
You don't know what you're talking about. And we, the people who have actually tried RPGTO, have the real facts. Here's a few.
- On GTO, you can connect with people on the forums, find games and campaigns, 100% free. The WotC VT forums were DDI-only. DDI isn't free.
- On GTO, you can play and run games 100% free, no subscription required. The WotC VT was DDI-only. DDI isn't free.
- On GTO, you can start a campaign, invite all your friends to play, and they can do so 100% free, no subscription required. Back on WotC's VT, it was completely unreasonable to invite your friends to play, requiring them to subscribe just for a weekly game.
- On GTO, you can, OPTIONALLY, purchase tile sets and tokens, many of which were never available before. We never had such options on WotC's VT.
- With a GTO subscription, you can even share maps and adventures. WotC took that feature away from us entirely. GTO gave it back.
- GTO is actively working on improving the VT and adding new content. WotC let the VT fester and rot completely.
This is to educate the uninformed. This is not to convince you, hup, as you've obviously made up your mind. But at least stop spreading misinformation.
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7 months ago ::
Nov 06, 2012 - 2:21AM
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Maybe not, but definitely misleading people.
I have never run a single game session only using 1st and 2nd level monster let alone a campaign – so the assertion that you can run campaigns for free is false.
You can run games for free. May lack some of the conveniences, but it is not a false statement.
Sorry if my opinion doesn’t match yours but they are definitely charging for something that was free, that is a simple fact.
They offer optional subscriptions, but they are not mandatory. As Mata said above, you can acquire extra tiles, tokens, all the monster data without spending a dime out of pocket, just by participating in enough of their free Gold offers. it is actually more economical not to subscribe for all but the Adventure traders.
Is there everything you had at the moment of Wotc discontinuing things? No. But there was everything and more than there was when most of us started with the beta. Having played on the VT Beta for 2 years, GTO is doing more than WOTC did with the table. And despite some claims, it is more economical than it was also.
Despite the claims, if you weren't a DDI subscriber, you couldn't play on the VT (so definitely wasn't free however it's spun)
Ok not even going to bother replying to the others, sorry but if you can't carry on a civil conversation I am not going to bother trying to communicate.
As I have said many times now, I am not attempting to mislead people nor have I lied at any point. I have included links to show people their price structure for the "optional" extras and I have even priced the most common "extras" converting their gold to dollars. i am only trying to give people an unbiased view - not just spruking "free".
The cost of the VTT to me was $0. I had a DDI subscription before the VTT and after. Second you could use the VTT without being a DDI member using the "invites". Yes this was near the end but again trying to inform people of the facts not opinions.
If YOU can run a campaign typing in every monster then I am happy for you, but i notice you clearly state you don't do that and you have in fact paid for the convienence. I would not run a campaign typing every monster in by hand, my time is more important to me.
I have nothing against the company trying to make some money back on their investment - I am betting WotC didn't GIVE the VTT to them. And again as I said previously I applaude them for updating with new tokens and tiles. That is not my point.
I was going to ask one simple question to finish this whole thing but I don't need to... you have already answered for me:
"Is there everything you had at the moment of Wotc discontinuing things? No. "
Ok, now can I use the product as I could BEFORE for free? NO.
What is my minimum spend to get back to where I was before WotC sold it off? about $8.
Would i spend the extra $72 to get the full tile set? Yes. (well see my next point)
Can I get GTOgold for free? Yes but again lets be honest here at between 1 and 20 gold for signing up to spam and other sites, it will be a long time before you can get enough to EVEN get the monsters (that we had). I would estimate (based on what i have done so far) about 8 hours grinding boars would get you enough to get one tier of monsters.
Note that is the last I'll say on the matter except one thing:
One of the important things about virtual games is of course a decent community. Now before today I was happy to spend around $100 to get everything needed - I had planned to run encounters sessions using the VTT. This whole thing started because I had been asked to run current encounters seasons online, only to discover the VTT gone. But given the level of hostility from members of the community I have no intention of spending a single $1 there now. I will grind boars and eventually run encounters sessions but I refuse to spend any money BECAUSE of the ranting hostility of some members.
Agonar thank-you for responding in a civil manner and I appologise if I mislead anyone but IMHO they are "selling" a product that I had been given for free.
Good luck, good gamming and good bye. 
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7 months ago ::
Nov 06, 2012 - 11:41AM
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What is my minimum spend to get back to where I was before WotC sold it off? about $8.
You'd have to pay more than that IMO since you'd have to pay for:
1) PC, Adventure and Map Storage or Premium Subcription (minimum 150 GTO Gold or between $7.99 and $9.99 USD/Month)
2) Missing PC Tokens (20 GTO Gold each)
3) Missing Monsters Tokens (between 5 and 10 GTO Gold each)
4) Monster Data Pack (300 GTO Gold)
Yan
Montréal, Canada
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7 months ago ::
Nov 06, 2012 - 3:37PM
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Its worth more yes.
If you jump back in after a a pause then yes.
If you have been continiously paying then it's becoming less and less worth to continue to do so.
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7 months ago ::
Nov 06, 2012 - 6:37PM
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Apr 28, 2009
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On the topic of is it worth more than it once was, there are pros and cons: Yes, the Dungeon adventure material has improved IMHO (The Against the Giants series by Chris Perkins was absolutely fantastic.) Yes, the continued updates of the CB and AT are now quite close to the release of the books. Yes, I personally find the compendium priceless while at work to check on things. However: We have lost the VTT (for better or worse to another provider. I am not going into that again). The CB still infuriates me at times and STILL cannot print properly (I have even in sent them the code to implement real PDF printing from silverlight but no joy  ). silverlightpdfprint.codeplex.com/ << here it is again just in case anyone is reading this. I suspect the tools are on their way out as they focus more and more on "next". Of course it all comes down to choice and how much you value something? With my DDI costing ~$6 per month some months are better than others, but to me it is still worth it. I spend a lot of money on gaming since I spend a lot of time gaming, $6 per month is very little IMHO. Edit: Yes, Plague I agree to get the same as we were getting in VTT will cost more, I was looking at minimum spend to get it working to a usable level. Personally I would probably choose the premium subscription (storage and uploading images being primary benefits) and may do so after my initial rage over being charged for something I had for free passes. :P
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