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7 months ago ::
Oct 28, 2012 - 4:45PM
#151
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Neutral at worst. Besides, this is HEROIC fantasy. You acted within the confines of heroic conventions. Was it a hard decision? Sure. But its not like you were gutting someone to SCARE the group of people into running. Those people that ran are responsible for their own actions...you cannot drill down stuff like that in a butterfly-effect way.
Hard decision? hardly. My character was an assassin, killing someone who needs to be dead is as second nature to him as putting butter on toast.
And yes, they did run away of their own accord, but they never would have had I not done what I did, so I am still responsible for what they did.
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7 months ago ::
Oct 28, 2012 - 4:47PM
#152
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If you wanted to try and bring moral and ethical codes into it, yeah, but purely concerning the cosmic energies of the setting, if they were in effect, according to RAW it quite clearly feel onto "good." Now, even in-game, one can make all the value judgments about that they want.
I can't even imagine how you could have a good/evil discussion with morals entering into it, since morals are what detrermine what we believe is good or evil.
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7 months ago ::
Oct 28, 2012 - 7:42PM
#153
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Neutral at worst. Besides, this is HEROIC fantasy. You acted within the confines of heroic conventions. Was it a hard decision? Sure. But its not like you were gutting someone to SCARE the group of people into running. Those people that ran are responsible for their own actions...you cannot drill down stuff like that in a butterfly-effect way.
Hard decision? hardly. My character was an assassin, killing someone who needs to be dead is as second nature to him as putting butter on toast.
And yes, they did run away of their own accord, but they never would have had I not done what I did, so I am still responsible for what they did.
According to RAW, you're actually not responsible. Just saying. My own personal judgment were this real life, I would also say you're not responsible. But there really is nothing in the RAW about it, so since the RAW doesn't say anything about it, any claim that one might make that you are responsible has no proof, and therefore no veracity.
If you wanted to try and bring moral and ethical codes into it, yeah, but purely concerning the cosmic energies of the setting, if they were in effect, according to RAW it quite clearly feel onto "good." Now, even in-game, one can make all the value judgments about that they want.
I can't even imagine how you could have a good/evil discussion with morals entering into it, since morals are what detrermine what we believe is good or evil.
Big shocker, but good and evil did not use to mean good and evil. Evil used to mean pain and suffering brought about by misfortune, with good meaning pleasure and happiness brought about by fortune. Those words did not use to have a "moral" connotation. Indeed the concept of morality didn't even exist until Zorastrian religion, founded by the sorcerer-prophet Zarathustra was founded in Persia at around 600 B. C. I should also note that those original meanings of good and evil, were in fact treated as cosmic forces by a lot of people back in the day.
Now, clearly not everyone in the real world buys into that, the alignments and their source material can still serve as metaphors for the idea of creation and entropy in our world. For example, calling someone an "evil" person simply meant that they were a highly desrtuctive individual. Interestingly enough, this makes those value judgments at the end of each alignment description make a lot more sense, because it is totally possible for something "good" to happen to someone I hate. That doesn't mean I will judge it to be so.
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6 months ago ::
Nov 27, 2012 - 10:57AM
#154
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I will be in a game soon with alignments. The games I play recently we didn't use it. I am worried that the DM will tell me that I am not playing my alignment correctly. How do I make sure that I am playing it correct and what do I say if I disagree with the DM about how I am playing it?
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6 months ago ::
Nov 27, 2012 - 11:29AM
#155
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I will be in a game soon with alignments. The games I play recently we didn't use it. I am worried that the DM will tell me that I am not playing my alignment correctly. How do I make sure that I am playing it correct and what do I say if I disagree with the DM about how I am playing it?
Re-famaliarize yourself with the RAW regarding the alignments.
The, speak with your DM ahead of time and talk to him about your concerns. Try and get a feel for whether he's the kind of person to adhere to RAW, or if he would use his own views on what alignment means. Knowing how your DM views the alignments can help you understand what alignments mean in his game.
The reason I suggest re-familiarizing yourself with RAW is because if he intends to stick with RAW, and makes a call not supported by that, you know right where to go in the rules to say "The RAW don't support that".
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6 months ago ::
Nov 27, 2012 - 12:15PM
#156
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I will be in a game soon with alignments. The games I play recently we didn't use it. I am worried that the DM will tell me that I am not playing my alignment correctly. How do I make sure that I am playing it correct and what do I say if I disagree with the DM about how I am playing it?
What Chiba_Monkey said. Also, ask your DM some pointed, but not too pointed questions. You don't want to scare him off after all.  But make sure you get specific.
Make sure in particular, that you know how he handles alignment change. I'm not sure if this is a 3e or 4e game, but if it's 3e. reference pages 134 and 135 of the DMG when you ask him about alignment change mechanics. Ask him if he will let you know when you're about to do something contrary to alignment, if it seems like you're unaware of it. Also, ask him about what kinds of roles his NPCs generally play in the game. Trust me, that last one is especially important, because it will be linked to how he handles alignment.
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6 months ago ::
Nov 27, 2012 - 1:01PM
#157
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Yokel, I would also add that if you are worried about it, make that clear to your DM. Also do not be afraid, in game, to ask what alignment a particular action you want to undertake would qualify as.
For instance, if you think you might want to attack someone but you are playing someone that is good aligned, feel free to ask the DM "Is attacking this person an evil act?" if you are worried about it. The DM will tell you and then you will have the information you need to weigh your options. Since alignment is a part of the rules, it is within your rights as a player to ask questions like that.
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6 months ago ::
Dec 08, 2012 - 4:33PM
#158
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I told the DM that I didn't want to play in a game that has alignment. I asked if we could play without it and he complained. So I think that is a warning sign.
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6 months ago ::
Dec 08, 2012 - 5:14PM
#159
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If it's a big deal to you, the best thing I could recommend is finding a game where the DM is using rules you can get behind, something that you'll enjoy.
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6 months ago ::
Dec 10, 2012 - 7:35PM
#160
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I told the DM that I didn't want to play in a game that has alignment. I asked if we could play without it and he complained. So I think that is a warning sign.
Warning sign of...?
Did you have a good reason for your statement. This is the equivalent of going to a DM and asking that a part of the game be totally removed, necessitating, potentially, a good amount of work on the DMs part. It is within his right to say that that is not entirely doable.
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