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8 months ago ::
Oct 23, 2012 - 11:13AM
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Not at all. I play 4th Edition, not 3.what-have-you. The reason is because I'm a biologist and I deal in hard facts. If you can't provide evidence to back up a claim, than what you said is exactly that, a claim.
Regarding a character acting with compassion, I can cite at least one situation where Batman did something blatantly cruel and by older edition's standards, Evil. When he has cornered Two-Face and he demands Dent give himself up, Dent goes to flip his coin, heads he surrenders, tails he fights. What Batsy does at that immediate time is hurl dozens of otherwise identical quarters at Two-Face, making him drop his coin amidst all the others. What does Batman do after that? Simply grin and walk away, leaving Two-Face (who has a psychological need to have his coin) broken, unable to find the one tie to his sanity.
If you prefer a second account of uncompassionate behavior from Batsy, let's go with the origin of the Joker. The Joker started off as a simple man who through twists of Fate, found himselves indebted to the mob. When he brought several thugs into a chemical plant that he worked in so they could steal some chemicals and pay off his debt, Bats showed up and proceeded to kick the ever loving zogg out of the thugs. Then, when only the proto-Joker remained, he threw him into one of the vats of chemicals, creating the man that would be the Joker. Very nice and Good of Batsy to do, throwing an unarmed man into a chemical vat and creating his greatest archenemy and one of the most deadly madmen ever to be unleashed on Gotham.
As for your book saying that Batsy is LG, I'll leave you with this to ponder. Only 600 years ago, Europe believed that the world was as flat as a board and that you could sail off the edge of the very world. Now we know that the world is not in fact flat but rather quite roundish. Perhaps you shouldn't take everything written in a book as Gospel truth. You, and the book, might just be proven wrong.
Spiteful Wizard and Voice of Reason of the House of Trolls
The Silent God of the House of Trolls
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8 months ago ::
Oct 23, 2012 - 11:13AM
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For further examination on the alignment of Batman, you should check out the Book "Batman and Philosophy: The Dark Knight of The Soul" in the Blackwell series.
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8 months ago ::
Oct 23, 2012 - 11:33AM
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The Joker, is Chaotic Evil. He ignores laws, kills the innocent etc.. He claims to be an agent of Chaos. He tries to turn people against each other, masterminds schemes meant to cause harm both on a physical and mental level. He kills Robin and then later gloats about it to Batman trying to enrage him to the point that he would break his only rule, not to kill. This is pure Chaotic Evil.
Joker is a tough case, only becaue he is frequently portayed differently.
Comics, even the 90's cartoon, yeah, i'll give you CE anyday.
Heath Ledger's Joker is CN: he has no interest in personal gain or power (he burns his money!), all he wants to do is upset order. Police, politicians, the mob, hospitals, no one is safe, not even his own henchmen.
On a similar note, anyone who thinks batman is LE seriously needs to lay off the pipe. He's LG (not lawful stupid, just lawful and good). It can be argued that he's LN or even NG, and sometimes in those cases it's best to agree to disagree.
But answering (Anything) Evil is just a pure demonstration that you have no idea how alignment works in any edition. Sorry, but it's true.
FWIW [4e designer] baseline assumption was that roughly 70% of your feats would be put towards combat effectiveness, parties would coordinate, and strikers would do 20/40/60 at-will damage+novas. If your party isn't doing that... well, you are below baseline, so yes, you need to optimize slightly to meet baseline.
-Alcestis
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8 months ago ::
Oct 23, 2012 - 11:41AM
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let's go with the origin of the Joker.
The Joker’s origin has never been established. That was only in the Tim Burton film and isn’t a part of the comic mythos.
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8 months ago ::
Oct 23, 2012 - 11:41AM
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Well clearly others disagree with you Onikani and I would appreciate it if you refrained from making personal attacks against those who do.
"Non nobis Domine Sed nomini tuo da gloriam" "I wish for death not because I want to die, but because I seek the war eternal"
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8 months ago ::
Oct 23, 2012 - 11:56AM
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Noctaem, whom are you addressing?
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8 months ago ::
Oct 23, 2012 - 11:57AM
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Onikani, as the post clearly reads :p
"Non nobis Domine Sed nomini tuo da gloriam" "I wish for death not because I want to die, but because I seek the war eternal"
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8 months ago ::
Oct 23, 2012 - 11:59AM
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Onikani, as the post clearly reads :p
misread. >.<
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8 months ago ::
Oct 23, 2012 - 12:01PM
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no worries.
"Non nobis Domine Sed nomini tuo da gloriam" "I wish for death not because I want to die, but because I seek the war eternal"
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8 months ago ::
Oct 23, 2012 - 12:06PM
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let's go with the origin of the Joker.
The Joker’s origin has never been established. That was only in the Tim Burton film and isn’t a part of the comic mythos.
The Killing Joke.
My username should actually read: Lunar Savage (damn you WotC!)
*Tips top hat, adjusts monocle, and walks away with cane* and yes, that IS Mr. Peanut laying unconscious on the curb.
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