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8 months ago  ::  Oct 17, 2012 - 2:08PM #1
Niren
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Quick ?  Can you use Telekinesis to catch or deflect incoming Missile fire? if the target held it's initiative and could activate it's power as a free action?
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8 months ago  ::  Oct 17, 2012 - 2:31PM #2
Noctaem
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nothing in the rules says you can and nothing says you can't.  So this would actually be a DM fiat question, ergo ask your DM to see if he/she is ok with it.  Don't forget though that the DM is allowed to limit how many free actions per turn you are allowed to make.  Meaning if there's 10 arrows flying at you, he could allow you to roll an attack on say 2 or 3 of them to see if you deflect but not all of them since you ran out of free actions.  Anyway I wouldn't say no simply because of the Rule of Cool(TM) which I use to allow things that should not normally work because they are awesome or involve fun roleplay.
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8 months ago  ::  Oct 17, 2012 - 3:01PM #3
Niren
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Oct 17, 2012 -- 2:31PM, Noctaem wrote:

nothing in the rules says you can and nothing says you can't.  So this would actually be a DM fiat question, ergo ask your DM to see if he/she is ok with it.  Don't forget though that the DM is allowed to limit how many free actions per turn you are allowed to make.  Meaning if there's 10 arrows flying at you, he could allow you to roll an attack on say 2 or 3 of them to see if you deflect but not all of them since you ran out of free actions.  Anyway I wouldn't say no simply because of the Rule of Cool(TM) which I use to allow things that should not normally work because they are awesome or involve fun roleplay.


thanks for your quick reply. Ever heard of it being used that way?

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8 months ago  ::  Oct 17, 2012 - 3:14PM #4
Noctaem
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Like I said best to ask your DM, it won't matter if I have or not if your DM says no. hehe.
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8 months ago  ::  Oct 17, 2012 - 4:00PM #5
Plaguescarred
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I never heard it used that way.

Forceful Push
targets one creature and its at the DM's discretion wether a power can target an object or not. (RC 105)

Also, its a non-Triggered Free action, and the Free action rules don't really say they can be taken during an ongoing attack, in a manner to Interrupt it and deflect the missile before it lands and deal damage.

FWIW the Developpers also said you can't take Free actions during other actions unless they are Triggered actions when asked about specifically using a Dwarven Armor Healig Power as a Free action during an incoming attack in a PodcastWink

So as Noctaem said, check with your DM first because if he decides it doesn't fly at his table it won't matter.

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8 months ago  ::  Oct 17, 2012 - 5:55PM #6
Alcestis
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Oct 17, 2012 -- 4:00PM, Plaguescarred wrote:

Also, its a non-Triggered Free action, and the Free action rules don't really say they can be taken during an ongoing attack, in a manner to Interrupt it and deflect the missile before it lands and deal damage.


Yes, they do. You can take free actions whenever you want to.

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8 months ago  ::  Oct 18, 2012 - 3:08AM #7
Plaguescarred
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Free actions don't say you can take then whenever you want, nor does they say you can take them during other actions to interrupt attacks, they say you can take them during your or another combatant’s turn.

RC 194 Free Actions: Free actions take almost no time or effort. You can take as many free actions as you want during your or another combatant’s turn.


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8 months ago  ::  Oct 18, 2012 - 8:33AM #8
Alcestis
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Oct 18, 2012 -- 3:08AM, Plaguescarred wrote:

Free actions don't say you can take then whenever you want, nor does they say you can take them during other actions to interrupt attacks, they say you can take them during your or another combatant’s turn.

RC 194 Free Actions: Free actions take almost no time or effort. You can take as many free actions as you want during your or another combatant’s turn.



Exept in the numerous examples where /gasp, it says you can. You're wrong. Live with it.

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8 months ago  ::  Oct 18, 2012 - 9:02AM #9
Plaguescarred
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While there may be some game elements that specifically trump the general rules on Free actions, Forceful Push just isn't one of them.
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8 months ago  ::  Oct 18, 2012 - 11:31AM #10
mvincent
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Oct 18, 2012 -- 8:33AM, Alcestis wrote:

Oct 18, 2012 -- 3:08AM, Plaguescarred wrote:

Free actions don't say you can take then whenever you want, nor do they say you can take them during other actions to interrupt attacks


Except in the examples where it says you can.


(Note: I edited your post for clarity. Correct me if I altered your intent)

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