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9 months ago  ::  Oct 14, 2012 - 9:43PM #11
Alcestis
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Oct 14, 2012 -- 4:26PM, Grimmand wrote:

Initially I was aiming for a Bard/Resourceful Magician build, but the Arcane Initiate benefit didn't grant me Chameleon Mask:

"Arcane Initiate (Player’s Handbook 1, page 208): You gain the wizard’s cantrip class feature and you can use the ghost sound, light, mage hand, and prestidigitation cantrips as at-will powers."

But I was presuming Chameleon Mask to be at-will, like all the other cantrips. Since thespaceinvader pointed out that mistake, Bard looks like the best option again.

I guess Traveler's Camoflage would bypass the low Dex score for Stealth, particularly if you took Arcane Ritualist for it.


You gain the Wizard's Cantrip Class Feature. Go read what that is, post Class Acts article. It says you get to pick any four Cantrips you want. And, in addition to that, you can also use the 4 listed.

That isn't RAI, but it is RAW. RAI would be (now) that you can pick any four Cantrips you want. So either way, you can get Chameleon Mask. The only difference is if you play by strict RAW you get eight Cantrips, four of which are pre-selected.

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9 months ago  ::  Oct 14, 2012 - 10:14PM #12
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The problem with chameleons mask is that it's an encounter power regardless. Which is why the ritual+item+feat bonus wins out, because a "scout" doesn't do combat, it avoids it.
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9 months ago  ::  Oct 14, 2012 - 10:20PM #13
Grimmand
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Thanks for the advice all. I'm revising the idea into a Bard "James Bond" Resourceful Magician Smile
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9 months ago  ::  Oct 16, 2012 - 10:13PM #14
Grimmand
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I've remade the build as a Wizard once again, with much improved stealth abilities and much greater control. Please see Post 1 of this thread:
community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/758...


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9 months ago  ::  Oct 17, 2012 - 2:09PM #15
Grimmand
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No comments on the revised build?
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