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8 months ago ::
Oct 11, 2012 - 12:20PM
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Multiclass Warlord for the Athletics training is a big help. It doesn't hurt that the warlord multiclass feats is one of the best in the game.
P.S. Pet peeve about D&D is the harsh skill penalties for wearing heavy armor/shield. Grr. (And no I'm not wasting feats to get rid of the penalties.)
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8 months ago ::
Oct 11, 2012 - 1:02PM
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Yeah :/ I would totally play a Tiefling if I could, they have wicked feat-support, but I can't!
Hm. Another question: Is there any sort of masterwork armor I could use in Heroic? Like, something that can be used with a +2 enhancement? I've only seen +4 and higher minimum enhancement requirements on masterwork so far.
AV introduced Masterwork that smoothed the scaling somewhat, and Heroes of the... basically got rid of it and made the AC addition automatic. Bonus points: you can by RAW wear one of the Masterworks that gives a NAD or (in the case of plate) Resist All instead of an AC bonus, and you still automatically get the AC bonus as well, because of the Heroes of books made the AC an inherent property of wearing armor of a particular enhance.
Whoa, really? What book is this awesome plate armor in? And I'm pretty feat starved as it is, so I think the only reason I would multi-class would be if my DM catches on that i'm not the impenetrable bulwark his monsters will think I am.
EDIT: Oops, nevermind. I forgot that you said AV xD
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8 months ago ::
Oct 11, 2012 - 2:43PM
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Back to the environmental hazards and grappling: Being stuck as a Drow, I'd be tempted to invest in Twilight Adept and Duelist's Panache if I could afford both. I'd want to use the River Smuggler background for a skill set of Acrobatics (untrained but decent), Athletics, Diplomacy, Intimidate, Religion, Stealth. You should be able to do something useful combining Cunning Sneak 1/enc with Cloud of Darkness and a decent Stealth skill.
You could even go so far as to take the Watershaper theme, which isn't entirely terrible. The Aquatic trait and swim speed are really, really nice for a Chaladin. Keep in mind that having an X speed negates the need to roll vs Athletics. For that reason, in mid-Paragon, if like a lot of Chaladins you settle on a Radiant Weapon, the humble Bracers of Brachiation should be considered for your arms slot.
If you had your choice of race, a Watershaper Crane Hengeyokai Chaladin can fly or float over or through any environmental hazard from level 1.
If you have a teammate that laughs at grapples, the E7 Benign Transposition could be a life-saver, though the opportunity cost of that slot is pretty steep. That said, if your DM has a taste for tentacles, it's probably your earliest and bestest option.
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8 months ago ::
Oct 11, 2012 - 11:01PM
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Whoa, really? What book is this awesome plate armor in? And I'm pretty feat starved as it is, so I think the only reason I would multi-class would be if my DM catches on that i'm not the impenetrable bulwark his monsters will think I am.
Multi-class feats tend to be extremely stong in comparison to other feats. There is very likely an MC feat that's better than something on your list. Or at the least, gives you access to feats (or PPs) that are better than things on your list. It's very rare you see an optimized build that doesn't MC by level 10 or so.
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8 months ago ::
Oct 11, 2012 - 11:29PM
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Actually, multiclass feats tend to be average or worse feats that happen to also give skill training for free. It's just that there are about 4 stupidly good ones. MCing on everything before paragon has more to do with the fact that of the top 3 PPs for each role, 2 are usually on an off-role class.
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8 months ago ::
Oct 12, 2012 - 12:11AM
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Leaders. They tend to have the superior in-class PPs.
"Nice assumptions. Completely wrong assumptions, but by jove if being incorrect stopped people from making idiotic statements, we wouldn't have modern internet subculture." Kerrus
Practical gameplay runs by neither RAW or RAI, but rather "A Compromise Between The Gist Of The Rule As I Recall Getting The Impression Of It That One Time I Read It And What Jerry Says He Remembers, Whatever, We'll Look It Up Later If Any Of Us Still Give A Damn." Erachima
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8 months ago ::
Oct 12, 2012 - 1:20AM
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True, though even there I'd say one of the best leader PP features (Student of Caiphon's cascading beatdown) is from a striker class instead.
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8 months ago ::
Oct 12, 2012 - 10:13AM
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It's just that there are about 4 stupidly good ones.
Yeah, I didn't mean to imply all MC feats, but just about every build can make use of those few gems, and the things they open up. It just sounded like the OP didn't really understand what multiclassing does for you in 4e.
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