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Oct 9, 2012 -- 11:11AM, mrpopstar wrote:

What to do with gold?

I'm going to build a stronghold, establish a fiefdom, maybe fund an orphanage, and then use the rest to swim in like Scrooge McDuck! 

I'm going to fill my bag of holding to the brim with ritual spell components...

Oct 9, 2012 -- 5:45PM, frbelanger wrote:

I just take a look at the new Items: Welcome to the new old DnD.
WOTC continue with the Vintage look for Dnd.

4ed mostly become : Choose your equipments.
Next will be: Receive what the DM planned, and hope he wont forget your character class.

4ed give stable and reliable party.
Next will bring back overpower characters, silly situation and some abuses by either DM or players.

But I dont know how 4ed players will be attracted to this new style. Neither 3.5 who are also great fans of customizing magic items.

At least Magic items are optional. So good DM will do good jobs with them and bad DM will mess up.

F

Yeah, you can customize your magic items by picking the creator, nature, and minor properties of it. The rest is up to begging the DM, so everyone needs to get their 1E, 2E, and 3E knee pads out and start prepping them for use...

Oct 9, 2012 -- 4:57PM, Maxperson wrote:

Oct 9, 2012 -- 11:06AM, Mommy_was_an_Orc wrote:

Oct 9, 2012 -- 10:41AM, edwin_su wrote:

 
corect me if i'm wrong but prices for selling magic items are only mentioned when it comes to selling items.
so am i wrong i assume the listed price is the price a player can get selling an item and not the cost for boying a item?
as the section buying magic items basicly sais their not for sale. 

That creates a lot of stress on the D&D system. If you can't really do anything with gold past buying the best available non-magical armor, there's no benefit to having gold. Being able to buy magic items means there is an obvious something to do with it.

There are ways around this, but it is really difficult to default to being unable to buy magic items.

30 years with no magic mart and I've never once found it difficult.  I think you're grossly exaggerating the difficulty of no magic marts.

I think the primary issue here is that magic marts and the easy availability of magic is that for the last twelve years or so this was the norm. The rules explicitly put magic items in the player's hands. Item creation rules that were generous in the extreme, rules  making it necessary to give the players things by level of an expected value and wish lists are things that modern D&D players see as the way things should be.

Coming from an era where these rules would be derided the way thac0 is today, I see it as an issue. To make this situation even worse is how all of the various money sinks of pre WotC D&D were eliminated because they were too cumbersome or no one wanted to be bothered using them, although my groups have always spent money on upkeep, training, tithes, and exorbitant taxes. My players beg for treasure to pay their expenses. Having to dole out hundrds of thousands of coins to buy the next item upgrade rubbed me the wrong way, and it still does in my pathfinder campaign. 

I'm sure that with the much lower treasure values and it being nearly impossible to sell off their magical items, the days of players having tens or hundreds of thousands in spare coin is going the way of the dodo.

Oct 9, 2012 -- 5:45PM, frbelanger wrote:

I just take a look at the new Items: Welcome to the new old DnD.
WOTC continue with the Vintage look for Dnd.

4ed mostly become : Choose your equipments.
Next will be: Receive what the DM planned, and hope he wont forget your character class.

4ed give stable and reliable party.
Next will bring back overpower characters, silly situation and some abuses by either DM or players.

But I dont know how 4ed players will be attracted to this new style. Neither 3.5 who are also great fans of customizing magic items.

At least Magic items are optional. So good DM will do good jobs with them and bad DM will mess up.

F

I had people choosing and making there magic items in 1e... hohum not really new.