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8 months ago  ::  Oct 05, 2012 - 11:06AM #1
Avric_Tholomyes
Date Joined: Mar 31, 2012
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I had a thought, originally from my homebrew rpg idea, that I think could also play into a fighter's role as a weapons-master: what if there were certain weapons that would add certain options for a fighter to use his cs dice for. For example: a throwing shield acts as a shield, but for a use of a cs die, it can become a thrown weapon for 1d6 bludgeoning damage, and if two dice are spent, it can ricochet back to the user. What do you guys think?
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8 months ago  ::  Oct 05, 2012 - 11:14AM #2
mellored
Date Joined: Jul 8, 2008
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Captain America strikes again!

But i've go no issue with a throw random things manuver.  Though i think rebound should cost 2 die.  It's not exactly an easy shot and takes paragon skills.
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F-111 Interdictor Long (200+ squares) distance ally teleporter.  With some warlord stuff.  Broken in a plot way, not a power way.
Thought Switch   Higher level build that grants upto 14 attacks on turn 1.  If your allies play along, it's broken.
Elven Critters Crit op with crit generation.  5 of these will end anything.  Broken.
King Fisher Does an excellent job at keeping an enemy disabled in a few ways.  Strong.
Boominator Fun catch-22 booming blade build with either strong or completely broken damage depending on your reading.
Very Distracting Warlock Lot's of dazing and major penalties to hit.  Overpowered.
Pocket Protector Pixie Stealth Knight. Maximizing the defender's aura by being in an ally's/enemy's square.
Yakuza NinjIntimiAdin: Perma-stealth Striker that offers a little protection for ally's, and can intimidate bloodied enemies. Very Strong.
Chargeburgler with cheese Ranged attacks at the end of a charge along with perma-stealth. Solid, could be overpowered if tweaked.
Void Defender Defends giving a penalty to hit anyone but him, then removing himself from play. Can get somewhat broken in epic.
Scry and Die Attacking from around corners, while staying hidden. Moderate to broken, depending on the situation.
Skimisher Fly in, attack, and fly away. Also prevents enemies from coming close. Moderate to Broken depending on the enemy, but shouldn't make the game un-fun, as the rest of your team is at risk, and you have enough weaknesses.
Indestructible Simply won't die, even if you sleep though combat.
Sir Robin (Bravely Charge Away) He automatically slows and pushes an enemy (5 squares), while charging away. Hard to rate it's power level, since it's terrain dependent.
Death's Gatekeeper A fun twist on a healic, making your party "unkillable". Overpowered to Broken, but shouldn't actually make the game un-fun, just TPK proof.
Death's Gatekeeper mk2, (Stealth Edition) Make your party "unkillable", and you hidden, while doing solid damage. Stronger then the above, but also easier for a DM to shut down. Broken, until your DM get's enough of it.
Domination and Death Dominate everything then kill them quickly. Only works @ 30, but is broken multiple ways.
Battlemind Mc Prone-Daze Protecting your allies by keeping enemies away. Quite powerful.
The Retaliator Getting hit deals more damage to the enemy then you receive yourself, and you can take plenty of hits. Heavy item dependency, Broken.
Dead Kobold Transit Teleports 98 squares a turn, and can bring someone along for the ride. Not fully built, so i can't judge the power
Psilent Guardian Protect your allies, while being invisible. Overpowered, possibly broken
Unnamed Avenger|Runepriest/Hammer of Vengance Do lot's of damage while boosting your teams. Strong to slightly overpowered.
Charedent BarrageA charging ardent. Fine in a normal team, overpowered if there are 2 together, and easily broken in teams of 5.
Super Knight A tough, sticky, high damage knight. Strong.
Super Duper Knight Basically the same as super knight, only far more broken.
Mora, the unkillable avenger Solid damage, while being neigh indestuctable. Overpowered, but not broken.
Swordburst Maximus At-Will Close Burst 3 that slide and prones.  Protects allies with off actions. Strong, possibly over powered with the right party.
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8 months ago  ::  Oct 05, 2012 - 11:43AM #3
Garthanos
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Riposte exploiting an enemies miss & Reflecting an enemies attack against itself or its allies.

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8 months ago  ::  Oct 05, 2012 - 12:05PM #4
DragonGuardian
Date Joined: Jul 2, 2008
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Spend 3 CS die to turn your arrow into a line attack. 
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8 months ago  ::  Oct 05, 2012 - 12:08PM #5
Garthanos
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 Well if we are doing those kind of tricks how about deliver CS die of damage to all enemies adjacent to you till the start of your next turn (including when you move). Cost spend a HD.

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Reality is unrealistic - and even monkeys protest unfairness

Dynamic Reflavoring : The Fighter : The Wizard : The Swordmage
Creative Character Collection - Featuring:The Faerie Master - Snow White - Joxer - Ironman - Elric - Bloodwright

By virtue of being a player your characters are the protagonists in a heroic fantasy game even at level one

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8 months ago  ::  Oct 05, 2012 - 1:10PM #6
Sesdun
Date Joined: Sep 7, 2012
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I have been thinking along those lines too:

Shield: Using a shield adds one additional dice of the same size to Parry and Defend.

Rapier, Longsword, Spear etc.: When making a Deadly Strike, you may lunge 10ft before the attack, this movement does not provoke attacks of opportunity.

etc.

The main drawback of connecting weapons to CS is that it locks potentially interesting weapon properties to Fighter only...
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8 months ago  ::  Oct 05, 2012 - 1:15PM #7
mellored
Date Joined: Jul 8, 2008
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Oct 5, 2012 -- 1:10PM, Sesdun wrote:

I have been thinking along those lines too:

Shield: Using a shield adds one additional dice of the same size to Parry and Defend.

Rapier, Longsword, Spear etc.: When making a Deadly Strike, you may lunge 10ft before the attack, this movement does not provoke attacks of opportunity.

etc.

The main drawback of connecting weapons to CS is that it locks potentially interesting weapon properties to Fighter only...


You don't have to lock people in or out.

Parry: Spend a CS dice to reduce damge.  If your wieldnig a shield, increse the die size by 1.

Deadly Strike: spend CS dice to do more damage.  If your wielding an Axe, increase the die size by 1.

Jab: If you havn't spent an action...  If your wielding a lightblade or spear, you can move 5 feat before the attack.


ect... 

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my builds Show

F-111 Interdictor Long (200+ squares) distance ally teleporter.  With some warlord stuff.  Broken in a plot way, not a power way.
Thought Switch   Higher level build that grants upto 14 attacks on turn 1.  If your allies play along, it's broken.
Elven Critters Crit op with crit generation.  5 of these will end anything.  Broken.
King Fisher Does an excellent job at keeping an enemy disabled in a few ways.  Strong.
Boominator Fun catch-22 booming blade build with either strong or completely broken damage depending on your reading.
Very Distracting Warlock Lot's of dazing and major penalties to hit.  Overpowered.
Pocket Protector Pixie Stealth Knight. Maximizing the defender's aura by being in an ally's/enemy's square.
Yakuza NinjIntimiAdin: Perma-stealth Striker that offers a little protection for ally's, and can intimidate bloodied enemies. Very Strong.
Chargeburgler with cheese Ranged attacks at the end of a charge along with perma-stealth. Solid, could be overpowered if tweaked.
Void Defender Defends giving a penalty to hit anyone but him, then removing himself from play. Can get somewhat broken in epic.
Scry and Die Attacking from around corners, while staying hidden. Moderate to broken, depending on the situation.
Skimisher Fly in, attack, and fly away. Also prevents enemies from coming close. Moderate to Broken depending on the enemy, but shouldn't make the game un-fun, as the rest of your team is at risk, and you have enough weaknesses.
Indestructible Simply won't die, even if you sleep though combat.
Sir Robin (Bravely Charge Away) He automatically slows and pushes an enemy (5 squares), while charging away. Hard to rate it's power level, since it's terrain dependent.
Death's Gatekeeper A fun twist on a healic, making your party "unkillable". Overpowered to Broken, but shouldn't actually make the game un-fun, just TPK proof.
Death's Gatekeeper mk2, (Stealth Edition) Make your party "unkillable", and you hidden, while doing solid damage. Stronger then the above, but also easier for a DM to shut down. Broken, until your DM get's enough of it.
Domination and Death Dominate everything then kill them quickly. Only works @ 30, but is broken multiple ways.
Battlemind Mc Prone-Daze Protecting your allies by keeping enemies away. Quite powerful.
The Retaliator Getting hit deals more damage to the enemy then you receive yourself, and you can take plenty of hits. Heavy item dependency, Broken.
Dead Kobold Transit Teleports 98 squares a turn, and can bring someone along for the ride. Not fully built, so i can't judge the power
Psilent Guardian Protect your allies, while being invisible. Overpowered, possibly broken
Unnamed Avenger|Runepriest/Hammer of Vengance Do lot's of damage while boosting your teams. Strong to slightly overpowered.
Charedent BarrageA charging ardent. Fine in a normal team, overpowered if there are 2 together, and easily broken in teams of 5.
Super Knight A tough, sticky, high damage knight. Strong.
Super Duper Knight Basically the same as super knight, only far more broken.
Mora, the unkillable avenger Solid damage, while being neigh indestuctable. Overpowered, but not broken.
Swordburst Maximus At-Will Close Burst 3 that slide and prones.  Protects allies with off actions. Strong, possibly over powered with the right party.
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8 months ago  ::  Oct 07, 2012 - 9:46PM #8
Garthanos
Date Joined: Jan 15, 2009
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I want to be able to throw or launch a weapon against an enemy to have it interfere with an enemies attack against my ally. In effect a ranged protect. 

Improvisation in 4e: Improv. Attacks(by wrecan) - Fave 4E Improvisations

The Non-combatant Adventurer

Reality is unrealistic - and even monkeys protest unfairness

Dynamic Reflavoring : The Fighter : The Wizard : The Swordmage
Creative Character Collection - Featuring:The Faerie Master - Snow White - Joxer - Ironman - Elric - Bloodwright

By virtue of being a player your characters are the protagonists in a heroic fantasy game even at level one

"You have to explicitly give non-casters permission to do awesome, where as with magic it is just assumed they can." -Garthanos

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8 months ago  ::  Oct 07, 2012 - 10:10PM #9
DragonGuardian
Date Joined: Jul 2, 2008
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We actually all just want a Captain America build.
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8 months ago  ::  Oct 08, 2012 - 12:56AM #10
Sesdun
Date Joined: Sep 7, 2012
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Oct 7, 2012 -- 9:46PM, Garthanos wrote:

I want to be able to throw or launch a weapon against an enemy to have it interfere with an enemies attack against my ally. In effect a ranged protect. 




Disruptive Shout
Cost 2 CS Dice

You shout and force an enemy to switch their attention to you just as they are to fire a ranged attack. The affected enemy gets Disadvantage against the original target but may opt to fire the attack against you instead without any extra penalties.

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