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8 months ago  ::  Oct 01, 2012 - 8:26AM #1
riker145
Date Joined: Sep 13, 2012
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When I use the character builder to make a level one rouge it is giving him 22 starting hit point at the first lvl. When I look at the discription it says they have 12 health plus the constitution modifer. Why is the bulder giving him so much health?
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8 months ago  ::  Oct 01, 2012 - 8:31AM #2
WolfLordBran
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Oct 1, 2012 -- 8:26AM, riker145 wrote:

When I use the character builder to make a level one rouge it is giving him 22 starting hit point at the first lvl. When I look at the discription it says they have 12 health plus the constitution modifer. Why is the bulder giving him so much health?




Your starting hit points total is x (x being amount stated in class) + your Constitution SCORE. That means you have a Con score of 10. It is your Healing Surge total that is dependent on your Constitution modifier.

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8 months ago  ::  Oct 01, 2012 - 10:10AM #3
Mand12
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Score, not mod.  Not the same thing.
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8 months ago  ::  Oct 01, 2012 - 3:48PM #4
riker145
Date Joined: Sep 13, 2012
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oh ok thanks for the quick reply that makes a lot more sense now.
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8 months ago  ::  Oct 01, 2012 - 4:01PM #5
Sea-Envy
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Want to make a quick guess as to how many people have made this exact same mistake?
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8 months ago  ::  Oct 01, 2012 - 4:01PM #6
Sea-Envy
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Nope, higher then that.
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8 months ago  ::  Oct 02, 2012 - 2:33PM #7
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Still higher.
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8 months ago  ::  Oct 02, 2012 - 7:10PM #8
It_is_not_Martin
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I made the same mistake - and my DM had to point out the correct amount - in my defense - this is unexpected - you use your stat mod for everything else - adding  raw stat - is still surprising. adding 10 + con mod times two = would of been more in keeping with rest of rules - yields same number
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8 months ago  ::  Oct 02, 2012 - 7:52PM #9
Zathris
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Oct 2, 2012 -- 7:10PM, It_is_not_Martin wrote:

I made the same mistake - and my DM had to point out the correct amount - in my defense - this is unexpected - you use your stat mod for everything else - adding  raw stat - is still surprising. adding 10 + con mod times two = would of been more in keeping with rest of rules - yields same number



Yeah, the disjunction between Score and Modifier is one of the legacy flaws features carried (though changed) from edition to edition.

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8 months ago  ::  Oct 02, 2012 - 9:10PM #10
Salla
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Oct 2, 2012 -- 7:10PM, It_is_not_Martin wrote:

adding 10 + con mod times two = would of been more in keeping with rest of rules - yields same number




No, no it doesn't.  Not even close.
Your system: Con 10 gives 10 HP.  4e system: Con 10 gives 20.
Your system: Con 18 gives 18 HP.  4e system: Con 18 gives 28

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