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9 months ago ::
Sep 29, 2012 - 10:22AM
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Sep 29, 2012
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Our party has decided we don't like how controlling our DM is so in order to get her to loosen our chains a portion of the party has decided we will split from the group and become evil. However we have a small problem. Throughout the campain the DM has introduced several level 20 character (a mage, dragon disciple, a neice of bahamut and a daughter of palor) that could easily massacre us. I am not the most experienced player as I have only been playing on and off for the past few years. I was wondering what is the best way to "break" my ranger( lvl4)/human werewolf (lvl3) from cross classing/presteige classing to make him the best I can so that he can actually stand a chance. He fights using 2 silver claw guantlets that he keeps on his hands with a partial shift at all times. I will be back in a few hours from work to join the conversation just hoping to get a few tips before then because I have to have a plan by tomorrow. Thanks much and I apologize if this is the wrong section I just joined.
oh and also we are playing 3.5
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9 months ago ::
Sep 29, 2012 - 10:35AM
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...Well, if just talking things out doesn't work...
The DM certainly sounds like he'll react poorly to any attempt to 'break the chains' as you put it.
Suggestion: If talking doesn't solve it, have everyone quit. Then someone else DMs a different campaign.
Seriously, you don't want to make your character broken. If he's really intend on forcing his goals on you, he'll do it, no amount of game breaking power will change that. You want to break the game? Leave. There exists no greater and easier means to break a game like removing the players. Without players, no game. Simple.
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9 months ago ::
Sep 29, 2012 - 1:19PM
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...Well, if just talking things out doesn't work...
The DM certainly sounds like he'll react poorly to any attempt to 'break the chains' as you put it.
Suggestion: If talking doesn't solve it, have everyone quit. Then someone else DMs a different campaign.
Seriously, you don't want to make your character broken. If he's really intend on forcing his goals on you, he'll do it, no amount of game breaking power will change that. You want to break the game? Leave. There exists no greater and easier means to break a game like removing the players. Without players, no game. Simple.
I was afraid that would be my main feedback and we are going to do that but we are trying our best to salvage the campain because we all like the storyline we just dont like that she is controlling our characters emotions which is not a DM responsibility so we thought maybe flipping the whole campain on her would be fun but its hard to do that when we are all level 7 and her 4 NPCs are all 20
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9 months ago ::
Sep 29, 2012 - 1:26PM
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'Flipping the campaign' will just result in hard feelings and a more solid clampdown. Talk to the DM, tell her you don't like these omnipresent high-level NPCs railroading you, and whatever other complaints you have, and if she won't listen and compromise, walk.
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9 months ago ::
Sep 30, 2012 - 7:04AM
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Have someone else pick up DMing the same plot with the same PCs.
The worst thing you can do is try to ruin the campaign or fight the DM.
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9 months ago ::
Sep 30, 2012 - 11:43AM
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'Flipping the campaign' will just result in hard feelings and a more solid clampdown. Talk to the DM, tell her you don't like these omnipresent high-level NPCs railroading you, and whatever other complaints you have, and if she won't listen and compromise, walk.
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9 months ago ::
Oct 02, 2012 - 5:30PM
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'Flipping the campaign' will just result in hard feelings and a more solid clampdown. Talk to the DM, tell her you don't like these omnipresent high-level NPCs railroading you, and whatever other complaints you have, and if she won't listen and compromise, walk.
This. Communication in a campaign is key. If the DM is doing things that you, the players do not like, you have a responsibility to tell the DM. At least give her the opportunity to fix things, and if it doesnt work out, then walk.
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9 months ago ::
Oct 03, 2012 - 8:13AM
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Our party has decided we don't like how controlling our DM is so in order to get her to loosen our chains a portion of the party has decided we will split from the group and become evil.
You're doing it wrong.
However we have a small problem. Throughout the campain the DM has introduced several level 20 character (a mage, dragon disciple, a neice of bahamut and a daughter of palor) that could easily massacre us.
She's doing it wrong.
I am not the most experienced player as I have only been playing on and off for the past few years. I was wondering what is the best way to "break" my ranger( lvl4)/human werewolf (lvl3) from cross classing/presteige classing to make him the best I can so that he can actually stand a chance.
Rebuild from scratch as a druid, in a campaign where there are no DMPCs.
oh and also we are playing 3.5
Everyone involved is doing it wrong.
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9 months ago ::
Oct 03, 2012 - 10:15AM
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oh and also we are playing 3.5
Everyone involved is doing it wrong.
lol
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9 months ago ::
Oct 06, 2012 - 7:25AM
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However we have a small problem. Throughout the campain the DM has introduced several level 20 character (a mage, dragon disciple, a neice of bahamut and a daughter of palor) that could easily massacre us.
She's doing it wrong.
Okay, I want this one explained. How is introducing high level NPC's 'doing it wrong'? There are quite a lot of campaign worlds where there are stronger individuals than the PC's. Rather than detracting from their play experience, this often fleshes out the campaign world, by giving the characters an idea that they're not the only heroes in world. And such NPC's can become quite the powerful patrons for the PC's, allowing them to do tasks they're too busy to do.
If she's doing it to threaten the PC's to take certain actions, okay, she's using her NPC's in the wrong way. If she's treating the NPC's as DMPC's, she's most probably doing it wrong as well. But the OP didn't say either of those. Just that the characters exist and they're scared the DM would send those characters after them if they would go evil.
That said and back on-topic, the advice above is pretty much spot-on. Talk it over with the DM and if she isn't able to compromise, then start again with someone else.
If the entire group would enjoy an evil campaign, and the DM is willing to lead such a game, don't be too afraid of those level 20 NPC's. Your player characters are small fry to them and they should be willing to let the local militia handle you. Powerful NPC's have other things to do with their time than to take care of every upstart in the kingdom. By the time they figure you're becoming too powerful and they want to stop you themselves, you're probably strong enough to best them as well.
Heroic Dungeon Master
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