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8 months ago ::
Oct 04, 2012 - 12:02PM
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That sounds reasonable.
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8 months ago ::
Oct 04, 2012 - 12:55PM
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Obviously we expect them to travel back in time and figure out what we want and already be working on it when we finally tell them what it is.
Duh.
Yeah, how THICK are people around here!  hehehe.
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8 months ago ::
Oct 04, 2012 - 3:22PM
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When they say they are going to do one thing and then it turns out they were doing another thing the entire time (as was the case with the transition to the online CB) then that's a flat out lie.
Pretty much agree with this - that was definitely an ass move.
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8 months ago ::
Oct 04, 2012 - 4:38PM
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Obviously we expect them to travel back in time and figure out what we want and already be working on it when we finally tell them what it is.
Duh.
I find it incredibly amusing that people will simultaneously criticize WotC for ignoring our feedback as well as not proceeding as they said they had wanted to.
Actually we don't mind if they have a decent reason for 'changing direction' as long as they actually convey that to us instead of letting us think they are still working on the same project for 2 years and then pulling the switch of the bait and switch tactic on us.
For instance they hyped the virtual table for 2+ years like it was on the way and then out of nowhere they pop this 2d 3rd party less features than the free ones virtual table on us, one that didn't look like any of the many demos that were still on youtube. Many people felt betrayed because they bought 4E because they were promised a way to play online (people like me that live in the middle of nowhere and can't get a game together), when that didn't materialize, they kept hyping and eventually 'beta' tested a much inferior one, and eventually they dropped that one.
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8 months ago ::
Oct 04, 2012 - 7:57PM
#125
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I find it incredibly amusing that people will simultaneously criticize WotC for ignoring our feedback as well as not proceeding as they said they had wanted to.
I had a similar thought when I observed the reactions to the news that they were decoupling magic systems from the classes.
For those confused on how DDN's modular rules might work, this may provide some insight: http://www.tor.com/blogs/2012/11/the-world-of-darkness-shines-when-it-abandons-canon
@mikemearls: Uhhh... do you really not see all the 3e/4e that's basically the entire core system?
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8 months ago ::
Oct 04, 2012 - 11:07PM
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I find it incredibly amusing that people will simultaneously criticize WotC for ignoring our feedback as well as not proceeding as they said they had wanted to.
I had a similar thought when I observed the reactions to the news that they were decoupling magic systems from the classes.
There's a huge difference. They didn't say we aren't going to do that, all the while in the back room busily doing just that. Big difference...
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8 months ago ::
Oct 05, 2012 - 9:03AM
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There's a huge difference. They didn't say we aren't going to do that, all the while in the back room busily doing just that. Big difference...
If they say they are doing X and they are doing Y and X != Y then yes they are lying. But you seem to assign that label a little too freely and without any real proof. Also keep in mind that sometimes the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing. I've learned over the years that incompetence is more common than you think.
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8 months ago ::
Oct 05, 2012 - 9:18AM
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(people like me that live in the middle of nowhere and can't get a game together)
Anyone else feel like we found the root of Lokiare's problem?
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8 months ago ::
Oct 05, 2012 - 10:08AM
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Saying we are working on tools and then not having anything to show for it is also a lie
No, it's not a lie. You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means.
Actually it doesn't matter if they lied by definition or not
It does matter, as long as you keep misusing the word.
So you would be less offended if I used the phrase 'betrayed the fan base'?
Yeah. Betrayal is rather severe. What they did is DISSAPOINT the fanbase, and even then not all of them.
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8 months ago ::
Oct 05, 2012 - 10:30AM
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"Betrayal" is too extreme and "dsappoint" is not quite enough. "Were disrespectful to" covers it. And I think the communication has been a lot more open since then, so I think they have taken the lessons of that debacle to heart.
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