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8 months ago ::
Sep 27, 2012 - 8:35AM
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This week's D&D Next Q&A covers "When you take an action" actions, dealing with power creep, and monster immunities!
Trevor Kidd
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8 months ago ::
Sep 27, 2012 - 9:08AM
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Sorry about that all. I had some issues pushing the blog live this morning. I was tinkering with it to try to figure out what went wrong, and ended up replacing some of Rodney's text with a paste from a previous blog. It should be fixed now though. If you see any other problems let me know! Also going to remove the comments about that mistake (but leaving it immortalized here in this post so you can all laugh at me!) just so we can get the conversation focused back on the Q&A topics.
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8 months ago ::
Sep 27, 2012 - 9:25AM
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There was a question about the last bit. I believe Jimbro was asking about the difference between having an immunity in the monster category and having it as a trait. Here is my answer. I hope it is clarifying and useful.
To answer you Jimbro, it's the difference between inheritance and an interface in programming. In the past multiple creature types might have immunities that overlapped. For example oozes and elementals might both be immune to being knocked prone. Instead of burying all that in creature types, they are creating specific traits that mean things and assigning them to the monsters they apply to. So you learn the traits and don't worry about what family or category the monster is in.
I am actually quite pleased that OO design principles are coming into play in D&D. It will definitely help us to use the various modules and to houserule more effectively. This last question makes me far happier than it probably should but I can't help feeling really good about it.
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8 months ago ::
Sep 27, 2012 - 9:43AM
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The main thing to keep in mind with swifter actions is the power/cost ratio. And since the action cost is 0, you need to add a different cost (daily spell slot for example) to avoid division by 0 errors. +1 for lateral options. Dual weapon attack is a great example of how this is done right. +1 for oozes being immune to prone, and saying so in the ooze block.
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8 months ago ::
Sep 27, 2012 - 10:05AM
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Well, now number 3 makes more sense. I do like this approach, since I agree that monster type shouldn't dictate a ton of things that result in the DM hunting around in the Monster Manual. IMO the DM should NEVER have to open the book to another page to find out what the monster abilities do.
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8 months ago ::
Sep 27, 2012 - 10:09AM
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Well, now number 3 makes more sense. I do like this approach, since I agree that monster type shouldn't dictate a ton of things that result in the DM hunting around in the Monster Manual. IMO the DM should NEVER have to open the book to another page to find out what the monster abilities do.
I can agree with that. I hated having to search the back of the MM to make sure of traits in 3e when the PCs faced certain monsters.
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8 months ago ::
Sep 27, 2012 - 10:16AM
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I like number 3 now but I fear how more complicated monsters will look. Or less complicated ones. The current zombie is only immune to frighten and charm. Will the finished one have has 5+ other traits for the other immunities.
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8 months ago ::
Sep 27, 2012 - 1:07PM
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Haiku Time! Action 'conomyand "when you take an action"?Just keep things movin. Mitigation orprevention of power creep?Advantage and math. What will be the deal with monster immunities?Big and obvious.
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8 months ago ::
Sep 27, 2012 - 1:20PM
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I would like to see the combined actions allow for changing the action sequence whenever applicable.
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8 months ago ::
Sep 27, 2012 - 1:24PM
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I would like to see the combined actions allow for changing the action sequence whenever applicable.
I'm not really sure what you mean.
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