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8 months ago ::
Sep 29, 2012 - 12:46AM
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But Tyrion Lanister is a certified Dwarf, and not a haflfling at all.
Certified by whom?
See, if we're going to get peresnickety, he's a human with some genetic quirks.
If we're going to capture flavour... Well, he drinks like a dwarf... and that's about it.
No beard worship. No love of crafting anything. No particular talent at arms.
He's a social animal, addicted to comfort, and solves problems by cunning rather than brute force.
What D&D Dwarf is that like?
I have an answer for you, it may even be the truth.
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8 months ago ::
Sep 29, 2012 - 8:05AM
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The Nefarious Kind :P
"Nah, couldn't be the Dwarf it's not their Style!"
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8 months ago ::
Sep 29, 2012 - 1:21PM
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But Tyrion Lanister is a certified Dwarf, and not a haflfling at all.
Certified by whom?
See, if we're going to get peresnickety, he's a human with some genetic quirks.
If we're going to capture flavour... Well, he drinks like a dwarf... and that's about it.
No beard worship. No love of crafting anything. No particular talent at arms.
He's a social animal, addicted to comfort, and solves problems by cunning rather than brute force.
What D&D Dwarf is that like?
Certified by the book, which repeatedly calls him a Dwarf and nothing else, other than a Lanister or an Imp.
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8 months ago ::
Sep 29, 2012 - 2:20PM
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But Tyrion Lanister is a certified Dwarf, and not a haflfling at all.
Certified by whom?
See, if we're going to get peresnickety, he's a human with some genetic quirks.
If we're going to capture flavour... Well, he drinks like a dwarf... and that's about it.
No beard worship. No love of crafting anything. No particular talent at arms.
He's a social animal, addicted to comfort, and solves problems by cunning rather than brute force.
What D&D Dwarf is that like?
Certified by the book, which repeatedly calls him a Dwarf and nothing else, other than a Lanister or an Imp.
I'm not sure who is confused here or is there some sort of miscommunication but to be clear:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwarfism
Tyrion Lanister is a "dwarf", as in a human with "dwarfism".
(To put it another way, he is a dwarf in the same way that Peter Dinklage is a dwarf.)
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8 months ago ::
Sep 29, 2012 - 3:44PM
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But Tyrion Lanister is a certified Dwarf, and not a haflfling at all.
Certified by whom?
See, if we're going to get peresnickety, he's a human with some genetic quirks.
If we're going to capture flavour... Well, he drinks like a dwarf... and that's about it.
No beard worship. No love of crafting anything. No particular talent at arms.
He's a social animal, addicted to comfort, and solves problems by cunning rather than brute force.
What D&D Dwarf is that like?
Certified by the book, which repeatedly calls him a Dwarf and nothing else, other than a Lanister or an Imp.
I'm not sure who is confused here or is there some sort of miscommunication but to be clear:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwarfism
Tyrion Lanister is a "dwarf", as in a human with "dwarfism".
(To put it another way, he is a dwarf in the same way that Peter Dinklage is a dwarf.)
It's more than that, but I don't feel like doing a literature essay right now to explain it. But Tyrion is a Dwarf, not a Halfling. If you have only been watching the TV series, you would be missing all the classical dwarf references.
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8 months ago ::
Sep 30, 2012 - 12:24AM
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It's more than that, but I don't feel like doing a literature essay right now to explain it. But Tyrion is a Dwarf, not a Halfling. If you have only been watching the TV series, you would be missing all the classical dwarf references.
Yep, you'll be missing all his feats of acrobatics and tumbling. 
I have an answer for you, it may even be the truth.
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4 months ago ::
Jan 29, 2013 - 2:12AM
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First, Tyrion Lanister fights like a halfling. I mean, he's a human with dwarfism, obviously, but in DnD I'd make him a halfling, without a doubt.
Anyway, more on topic, I like my halflings anywhere from Homo floresiensis (3 ft 6 in or so) to 4e halflings.
Visually, I want halflings to headbutt a human my height (5 ft 10 in) in the stomach somewhere, and Dwarves to headbutt someone my height solidly in the chest.
Gnomes are more magical, so I'm begrudgingly ok with them being 3 ft, but I'd prefer them to be barely shorter than halflings, but more slender.
More sex and gender equality and racial equality shouldn't even be an argument--it should simply be an assumption for any RPG that wants to stay relevant in the 21st century.
I could say anything in D&D is silly though, because it's a silly game and we are silly people.
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4 months ago ::
Jan 29, 2013 - 4:04AM
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Not that I care much, as I'll never play one in any event, but I would go with the 4e halflings.
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4 months ago ::
Jan 29, 2013 - 4:35AM
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in my mind the dwarf and the halfling are about the same height.
But where the dwarf has lots of bulk to his body with his sholders being almost as wice as 1/2 his height.
Halflings are more proportioned like human children of that height
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4 months ago ::
Jan 29, 2013 - 8:39AM
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For me, the problem with the switch back to smaller halflings is that I can't see them working with the same rules as medium-size characters.
Currently, being small only limits your ability to wield heavy weapons. That's comparable to 4e, but 4e halflings weighed twice as much as Next halflings, because, as has been pointed out, weight increases by the cube of height. Some might say that 3 ft or 4 ft makes no difference to them, but if I can pick up your character and tuck him/her under my arm, that's significant. An 80 pound halfling is going to interact with the world very differently than a 40 pound halfling.
I can see two solutions to the current diconnect between halfling size and believable mechanics:
1) Make halflings bigger, closer to their 4e size; or
2) Make Small size have a much more substantial mechanical effect.
Option 1 is much cleaner and simpler, so I'd advocate for that. Sure, you can just houserule/reflavor halfling size, but it's much better to have the core rules make sense. I can suspend my disbelief enough to buy the 4 ft, 80 lb warrior whose superior speed and cunning allow him to best an orc twice his size. Not so much when the warrior is a foot shorter and weighs only weighs 40 lbs.
I want "punch magic in the face" to be a maneuver
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