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Sep 27, 2012 - 11:41PM
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Though I personally do lean towards the thickerset look for halflings, I definately agree - leave the Kender to Hell.
Fixed that for you.
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8 months ago ::
Sep 27, 2012 - 11:48PM
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I like my Halflings in the 3'6ish slightly overweight with hairy feet. That's what Halflings are for me. My first Halfling i've ever seen was this one in the 80's Spoiler:
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8 months ago ::
Sep 28, 2012 - 1:45AM
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I imagine I'm the only person that puts Peter Dinklage as Tyrion Lannister at just about perfect for a Halfling.
Much smaller and I can't help but think they're a bad joke.
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8 months ago ::
Sep 28, 2012 - 2:56AM
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For reference, Dinklage is 4'5, although it's possible that they use camera trickery in Game of Thrones to make him appear shorter. (I've seen the program, but never payed quite close enough attention.)
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8 months ago ::
Sep 28, 2012 - 3:09AM
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Dinklage is a liiiiiiiittle too tall. Considering Tyrion is still a human.
I still say. Navel high.
Comtemplate your navel.
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8 months ago ::
Sep 28, 2012 - 3:30AM
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So what do you think of the Gnome then, who traditionally is even smaller?
Really, standard (Rock) gnomes?
Forest gnomes are definitely smaller (they average about 2 1/2 ft.).
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8 months ago ::
Sep 28, 2012 - 4:29AM
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I imagine I'm the only person that puts Peter Dinklage as Tyrion Lannister at just about perfect for a Halfling.
Much smaller and I can't help but think they're a bad joke.
But Tyrion Lanister is a certified Dwarf, and not a haflfling at all.
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8 months ago ::
Sep 28, 2012 - 11:05AM
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From folklore,
Other-sized creatures tend to be “waist-high” (roughly half-humansize) or “knee-high” (roughly quarter-humansize). Notice, a person who is “knee-high” to a human is likewise waist-high to someone who is waist-high to a human.
With reallife human male proportions, an adult averages about 7½ “heads” tall, while waist-high is about 4 heads tall. Knee-high is a bit over 2 heads tall. A hand-span (stretching from tip of thumb to tip of pinky) is roughly 1 head in length.
Depending on the community, the height of an average adult Human male is somewhere around 1.78 meters (≈ 70 inches = 5 feet 10 inches).
• Waist-high = 0.95 m (37.33'' ≈ 3'1'')
• Knee-high = 0.51 m (19.91'' ≈ 1'8'')
• Hand-span = 0.23 m (9'')
The height of an average adult Human female is roughly 92% of a male.
Human is about 1.78 m (≈ 5'10'')
Dwarf is at the threshold but within the normal Human height range, about 1.24 m (≈ 4'8'').
Halfling is about waist-high, with head under the height of a doorknob, just under a meter, at about 0.95 m (3'1'').
• Stoutheart Halfling is.
• Lightfoot Halfling might be taller.
Gnome (of reallife folklore) is about knee-high, about 0.51 m (≈ 1'6'').
Pixie is about a hand-span, about 0.23 m (≈ 9'').
• But if Pixie is knee-high to Halfling, then slightly taller, just under a foot, about 0.27 m (≈ 11'')
Conversely,
Human is about waist-high to Ogre, thus Ogre is about 3.34 meters (≈ 11').
Human is often about knee-high to Giant, thus Giant is about 6.26 meters (≈ 21').
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8 months ago ::
Sep 28, 2012 - 11:27AM
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As long as we don't get a bunch of mechanics to emphasize "They're Hobbits!" - because I have no taste for hobbit-halflings in my D&D games (Eberron and Dark Sun and really the "default" 3e and 4e halflings have all spoiled me) - I really, really don't care.
At worst, we get "They're 2-3 feet tall!", and I can just laugh at my book and tell it "No."
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8 months ago ::
Sep 28, 2012 - 11:28AM
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Here are some visuals: imgur.com/xCKOv
What do people think? Which halflings feel right to you?
So, I have to go with “waist-high” Halfling, at least for the Stoutheart Halfling: 3' 1''
Presumably, the Lightfoot Halfling is taller.
I just noticed, your images contrasting heights create a bit of an optical illusion. The image of the Halfling needs to somehow move higher, so their heel is level with the Human heel. Otherwise the Halfling is as if standing one stairstep lower than Human, making them seem even smaller! If you raise the place where they are standing to be level with the Human, they reach a bit taller in comparison.
Here is a modified picture with the standing at level.
Small, but not inconsequential. I agree giving the Halfing a larger head proportionally helps read better.
Regarding the other male images, when correcting for standing level, the 4'1'' Halfling seems too tall!
The 3'7'' Halfling seems ok, with the face spanning the Human belly. Probably a good height for the Lightfoot.
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