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9 months ago ::
Sep 26, 2012 - 2:04AM
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Sep 15, 2012
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Hi everyone,
i am a fairly new player rolling my first Rogue. I am planning to go for a ranged build and I am wondering if two one hand crossbow's or one full sized crossbow would be better (or if it is even allowed)? i am weighing toward two one hand bows just for the sheer style factor of it all.
I would also appreciate any pointers about where to put my stats if anyone has any advice they would like to give.
Thanks for your time.
T
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9 months ago ::
Sep 26, 2012 - 2:28AM
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Feb 19, 2006
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You can't deal Sneak Attack with a regular crossbow and you'd have to spend a feat (or maybe a background, not sure if there is one for ranged weapons) on proficiency, so hand crossbow is probably the way to go.
SNEAK ATTACK When you make an attack with a light blade, a hand crossbow, a shortbow, or a sling and hit an enemy granting combat advantage to you, that enemy takes extra damage based on your level (see the Sneak Attack table). You can deal this extra damage only once per turn.
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9 months ago ::
Sep 26, 2012 - 3:07AM
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Sep 15, 2012
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That makes alot of sence actually since I found a feat along the lines of 'Proficency, Crossbow'. Sounds like hand cross bows is the wayto go then. Thanks for the tip, do you have any advice for stats at all?
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9 months ago ::
Sep 26, 2012 - 3:38AM
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Feb 19, 2006
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That makes alot of sence actually since I found a feat along the lines of 'Proficency, Crossbow'. Sounds like hand cross bows is the wayto go then. Thanks for the tip, do you have any advice for stats at all?
For basic building advice I'd take a look at the Rogue handbook -> Han Shot First
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9 months ago ::
Sep 26, 2012 - 5:43AM
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Here's a build I made a while ago that fits this concept. The purpose of Rogue|Ranger MC Fighter is to get snap shot, two-fisted shooter and battle fury stance on the same character. Spoiler:
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====== Created Using Wizards of the Coast D&D Character Builder ====== Sparrow, level 30 Revenant, Ranger|Rogue, Lyrandar Wind-Rider, Destined Scion Hybrid Ranger: Hybrid Ranger Fortitude Hybrid Talent: Ranger Combat Talent Ranger Combat Talent: Prime Shot (Hybrid) Epic Heroism: Epic Heroism (Constitution) Epic Heroism: Epic Heroism (Dexterity) Choose your Race in Life: Drow Background: Officer Who Came Out of Retirement, Auspicious Birth (Officer Who Came Out of Retirement Benefit)
FINAL ABILITY SCORES Str 12, Con 24, Dex 30, Int 10, Wis 16, Cha 12.
STARTING ABILITY SCORES Str 10, Con 13, Dex 18, Int 8, Wis 13, Cha 10.
AC: 48 Fort: 45 Reflex: 45 Will: 44 HP: 181 Surges: 13 Surge Value: 45
TRAINED SKILLS Perception +23, Insight +23, Thievery +30, Acrobatics +32, Stealth +32, Intimidate +23, Athletics +21
UNTRAINED SKILLS Arcana +15, Bluff +16, Diplomacy +16, Dungeoneering +18, Endurance +24, Heal +18, History +16, Nature +18, Religion +15, Streetwise +16
FEATS Level 1: Ruthless Hunter Level 2: Weapon Focus (Crossbow) (retrained to Lightning Soul at Level 11) Level 4: Two-Fisted Shooter Level 6: Master at Arms Level 8: Wrathful Warrior Level 10: Acolyte Power Level 11: Mark of Storm Level 12: Hybrid Talent Level 14: Called Shot Level 16: Hidden Sniper Level 18: Reserve Maneuver Level 20: Merciless Killer Level 21: Bow Mastery Level 22: Prime Quarry Level 24: Improved Defenses Level 26: Epic Resurgence Level 28: Epic Will Level 30: Superior Will
POWERS Hybrid at-will 1: Disheartening Strike Hybrid at-will 1: Twin Strike Reserve Maneuver: Disruptive Strike Hybrid encounter 1: Two-Fanged Strike (retrained to King's Castle at Level 3) Hybrid daily 1: Blinding Barrage Hybrid utility 2: Invigorating Stride Hybrid encounter 3: Disruptive Strike Hybrid daily 5: Flying Steel Hybrid utility 6: Tumble (retrained to Battle Fury Stance at Acolyte Power) Hybrid encounter 7: Snap Shot Hybrid daily 9: Knockout Hybrid utility 10: Acrobat's Escape Hybrid encounter 13: Biting Volley (replaces King's Castle) Hybrid daily 15: Confounding Arrows (replaces Blinding Barrage) Hybrid utility 16: Anticipate Attack (Rogue) Hybrid encounter 17: Pounding Barrage (replaces Disruptive Strike) Hybrid daily 19: Reactive Shot (replaces Flying Steel) Hybrid utility 22: Dazzling Acrobatics Hybrid encounter 23: Manticore's Volley (replaces Biting Volley) Hybrid daily 29: Five-Missile Dance (replaces Reactive Shot)
ITEMS Bracers of Archery (paragon tier), Backlash Tattoo (heroic tier), Battle Harness Starleather Armor +6, Eye of Awareness (epic tier), Elven Chain Shirt (epic tier), Eberron Shard of Lightning (epic tier) (2), Thunderbolt Hand Crossbow +6 (2), Ring of the Radiant Storm (paragon tier), Torc of Power Preservation +6, Shadow Band, Spark Slippers (paragon tier), Diamond Cincture (epic tier), Many-Fingered Gloves (paragon tier), Ring of Free Time (epic tier), Stone of Wind (paragon tier) ====== Copy to Clipboard and Press the Import Button on the Summary Tab ======
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9 months ago ::
Sep 26, 2012 - 4:04PM
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Don't use a crossbow at all. Play an elf (or revenant elf if you want to use sly flourish), and grab the style feat that lets you use short and longbows for rogue powers and class features that normally require a hand crossbow. Bows have better enchants than crossbows, and an elf sniper is a dastardly man.
Alternatively, do use a hand crossbow, and play as a drow. They get two-fisted shooter and a bunch of other ridiculous stuff that makes their hand crossbows insanely powerful. Couple that with another feat they have that allows them to not take ops when they have a light blade in their other hand, and two-weapon opportunity, and you end up with a rogue who is going to pin-cushion everyone.
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9 months ago ::
Sep 27, 2012 - 12:16AM
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Sep 15, 2012
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I was in fact planning to make him a Drow so I think crossbows will suit nicely.
I'm sure dex is going to be my main stat dump. What comes next depends on what else I want him to do I suppose.
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9 months ago ::
Sep 27, 2012 - 5:32AM
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Sep 15, 2012
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Well here he is, Let me know what you all think. Any advice is always appreciated. Thanks for your time. T ====== Created Using Wizards of the Coast D&D Character Builder ====== Ki Raal Varn, level 5 Drow, Rogue (Scoundrel) Build: Shadowy Rogue Rogue Tactics Option: Cunning Sneak Rogue Option: Sharpshooter Talent Sharpshooter Talent Option: Sharpshooter Talent (Crossbow) Darkfire Option: Darkfire Charisma Inherent Bonuses Occupation - Thief (+2 to Stealth) Theme: Secret Apostate FINAL ABILITY SCORES STR 12, CON 12, DEX 20, INT 10, WIS 10, CHA 16 STARTING ABILITY SCORES STR 11, CON 12, DEX 17, INT 10, WIS 10, CHA 14 AC: 20 Fort: 14 Ref: 20 Will: 16 HP: 44 Surges: 7 Surge Value: 11 TRAINED SKILLS Acrobatics +12, Bluff +12, Perception +7, Stealth +18, Streetwise +10, Thievery +12 UNTRAINED SKILLS Arcana +2, Athletics +3, Diplomacy +5, Dungeoneering +2, Endurance +3, Heal +2, History +2, Insight +2, Intimidate +7, Nature +2, Religion +2 POWERS Basic Attack: Melee Basic Attack Basic Attack: Ranged Basic Attack Secret Apostate Attack: Apostate's Freedom Drow Racial Power: Darkfire Rogue Attack 1: Gloaming Cut Rogue Attack 1: Palming Strike Rogue Attack 1: Unbalancing Shot Rogue Attack 1: Scattering Shot Rogue Utility 2: Fleeting Ghost Rogue Attack 3: Fleeting Spirit Strike Rogue Attack 5: Bloodbath FEATS Far Shot Level 1: Ruthless Hunter Level 2: Two-Fisted Shooter Level 4: Swift Footwork ITEMS Hand crossbow x2 Leather Armor x1 Adventurer's Kit Crossbow Bolts Climber's Kit Thieves' Tools Camouflaged Clothing Disguise Kit Footpads ====== End ======
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9 months ago ::
Sep 27, 2012 - 8:44AM
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Nov 16, 2007
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For basic building advice I'd take a look at the Rogue handbook -> Han Shot First
This bears repeating, since you took a bunch of bottom of the barrel powers and ignored gold feats. Also drow darkness is guaranteed two turns of CA against everything, and better than risking a miss with Darkfire, and by your next turn, your Darkfire target may already be dead, leaving you with only one turn of CA.
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9 months ago ::
Sep 27, 2012 - 8:52AM
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Feb 19, 2006
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Also looks like you are planning to try and use Stealth so you probably should look at Rules of Hidden Club too.
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