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Sep 25, 2012 -- 3:30PM, Scatterbrained wrote:

Sep 25, 2012 -- 3:22PM, kurobara3 wrote:

I guess can i ask does the skald daily level 5 daily haunting tune actually work with pschic lock and nightmare master since it does auto-damage or to  'hit' do you require an attack roll???

You are correct.  Haunting Tune just makes an auto-damage aura, and both of those feats require a power to hit.  Haunting Tune never hits anything, so it can't trigger those feats.

If the second question is regarding delaying your action until the enemy's turn, this kind of thing is poorly looked upon here.  Mostly because if you do it, the DM can do it too, and soon nothing is working like it should.  For example, a DM can delay his own monsters to attack during a defender's turn, preventing any retaliation through immediate actions or opportunity attacks.  Best not to go down that road.

I can understand how that could greatly hinder ur play, espically since we only use our delays really to hit enemies out currently out of reach, guess i will probs just stick with giving combat advantage and allowing mobility, as well as proning when i stick on polearm momentum, though i did feel it would be annoying to stop creatures from doing anything i guess my at will daze will have to wait lol.

A bit of a cheesy way to make Nightmare Master work the way you want is to ready your fear attack on the start your intended target's turn. A readied attack is an immediate reaction, so you actually make the attack on your target's turn at the cost of your immediate action. If you hit, it's effectively dazed for a full round.

Doing it with Fell Strike (Cleric at-will fear attack that prones) on a reach weapon makes life really miserable for your targets. Echoing Dirge (Warlock at-will close blast 5 push 2) lets you hit another creature, preferably one that just took its turn (although you have to announce both targets when you ready the attack).

Eh. You can ready an action for "When that guy tries to do anything that requires an action" which is basically for the start of his turn.

Either way, you shouldn't ever ready an action to exploit, with the exception maybe of readying after a save, or readying for a range effect. "I'm imobalized by this spider web now, but as soon as I get out I'm going to charge that guy." Downside is that you have a 45% chance of wasting an action. "I'm going to wait to hit this guy until my party member with the shield pushes him passed me."

Readying to abuse immediate mechanics is stupid, plain and simple.

Something that people don't seem to have mentioned is that dazing every turn until the target starts at-will is still stupidly powerful. I actually have  a character who gets dazed until the start of his turn rather frequently in one of my campaigns atm, so I've seen a lot of situations where it can really screw up someone's day.

Things to consider:

Dazed stuff can't take ops. This means your party  has total freedom of movement around that monster until it's turn starts. This makes your party a party of skirmishers all of a sudden. This is awesome.

Dazed stuff can't take immediates. People have been over this already. It's also really awesome, though situationally so. Not as reliable as no-ops.

Dazed stuff grants CA. You are handing out a free +2 to hit to your entire party, or at least one or two people. If you're willing to delay until right after the mob goes, you give it to everyone for ever. The rogue will wet himself with glee.

Dazed stuff can't fly (usually). This is also highly situational, but your melee characters will love you forever for it. (Hover) isn't very common, and creatures without hover fly their speed downward and then fall as per normal when dazed. if you have a ranged fear power, you just screwed that dragon over hard.

Dazing mid-turn basically instantly ends an in-progress turn. If you can get fear powers as an op, if an enemy takes any action that provokes an op, that is their only action that turn. It's insanely annoying to DMs everywhere.

Sep 26, 2012 -- 7:07AM, svendj wrote:

A bit of a cheesy way to make Nightmare Master work the way you want is to ready your fear attack on the start your intended target's turn. A readied attack is an immediate reaction, so you actually make the attack on your target's turn at the cost of your immediate action. If you hit, it's effectively dazed for a full round.

Doing it with Fell Strike (Cleric at-will fear attack that prones) on a reach weapon makes life really miserable for your targets. Echoing Dirge (Warlock at-will close blast 5 push 2) lets you hit another creature, preferably one that just took its turn (although you have to announce both targets when you ready the attack).

Well i did put echoing dirge on a hexblade with nightmare killer and polearm momentum, so i dazed and proned, but since the daze dosent last i am not sure that polearm momentum is worth the invesment it required me to get.