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8 months ago ::
Oct 02, 2012 - 9:32PM
#81
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Power A Power B
Trigger: You hit a creature with an attack Trigger: You hit a creature with an attack
Effect: The target hit by the attack take 2d6 damage Effect: The target hit by the attack take 2d6 extra damage
I think where I stop agreeing with you is when the trigger changes from "you hit a creature with an attack" to, "you use a sorcerer at-will power."
If EE required the hit before any of its effect lines, it would be perfectly fine with me to resolve the at-will power separately, and to consider the level 17+ ongoing damage to have come from EE.
Because it does not, AND because the damage is listed as extra damage (and there's nothing in the rules about "extra ongoing damage"), it resolves at the same time as the triggering power, with all of the effects of EE being passed on to the triggering power for resolution.
But, for a third time, I feel the need to stress how incredibly unimportant our opinions on the matter are. The OP should just ask his/her DM to allow it, and the DM should say yes, because regardless of rules lawyering, it's an exceedingly reasonable request, and it doesn't break or even hurt anything to have it work in the desired fashion. My personal preference as someone who's played a fire elementalist would be to just admixture my at-wills anyway (cold for EB, thunder for ignition), but I can see why someone might want to do it to EE instead.
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8 months ago ::
Oct 02, 2012 - 9:50PM
#82
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@Nirafelos - I know the Trigger is not the same i was using a hyppothetical exemple to demonstrate the hole in Mand12's argument about triggering power's effect supposedly becoming part of their triggered power's Hit line.
Bottom line is this, Elemental Escalation tells you who takes extra damage and ongoing damage without saying which power deals it between the triggering power and Elemental Escalation. In the absence of such information, i think the default assumption should be that the power delivers its effect (to the exception of extra damage which is in additions to the attack's damage).
@Zathris - Echoing Weapon specifically says the next weapon attack deals 2d6 thunder damage so its not even disputable who deals it.
Yan
Montréal, Canada
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1 month ago ::
Apr 11, 2013 - 10:36AM
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You say you stick to what the power does, but you're not. The power says that something else happens on a hit. Under all of the effects that do something like that, the effect becomes part of a hit, and part of the attack. Whether it's extra damage or ongoing damage or the slide or the fly-half-your-speed is irrelevant.
Can you cite the rule that say this because no rules do AKAIK. If all those powers wouldn't deal ongoing damage they woudn't have the associated damage keyword present in a power when this damage type is dealt by the power. Just because you refuse to acknowledge that doesn't make it false. And i don't think such concensus exist for powers.
No where in the rules does it even say once what you claim triggered powers do. So i can only come to the conclusion that triggered powers effects don't become inherently part of their triggering power hit line since no rule say they do. Only exception is for extra damage which explicitly say so.
RC 114 Damage Type: If a power has one of these keywords, it deals the associated type of damage.
I believe that adding a damage type to a power does not affect OGD. As the power is not doing the damage
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1 month ago ::
Apr 11, 2013 - 11:03AM
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I believe that adding a damage type to a power does not affect OGD. As the power is not doing the damage
No longer true, OGD is just damage according to the RC. It is no longer a condition.
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1 month ago ::
Apr 11, 2013 - 11:20AM
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It helps if threads like this are kpt in the krypt still. Ask a question in a new thread if you want an up-to-date answer.
D&D Next = D&D: Quantum Edition
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