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Don't change subject with Mark of Storm please. (And not everyone rejected it BTW)

A triggered effect doesn't become inherently part of the triggering effect simply because it triggers it.
Elemental Escalation at level 17 says:

Elemental Escalation
Encounter        Arcane, Elemental, Varies
Free Action      Personal
Trigger: You use a sorcerer at-will attack power.
Effect: Each target hit by the attack takes 1d10 extra damage, and ongoing 10 fire damage (save ends).

This in itself doesn't make the ongoing damage part of the sorcerer at-will attack power is all i am saying. While the extra damage may not be dealt by Elemental Escalation's effect but the sorcerer's attack's damage, the ongoing damage certainly is.

The inconcistency is in your extrapolation on the interactions between the two powers, i simply stick to what the power says it does and nothing more. 

The Effect of Elemental Escalation tells you who gets the extra damage and the ongoing damage (''each target hit by the attack'' is the target designator), just like Unleash Corruption, Hasten The End, or Elemental Chains do in their Effect line designate who's affected. All those powers deal ongoing damage when being triggered and all have the associated damage type keyword - because they do deal this damage type effect.

Sep 30, 2012 -- 7:40AM, Mand12 wrote:

You say you stick to what the power does, but you're not.  The power says that something else happens on a hit.  Under all of the effects that do something like that, the effect becomes part of a hit, and part of the attack.  Whether it's extra damage or ongoing damage or the slide or the fly-half-your-speed is irrelevant.

Can you cite the rule that say this because no rules do AKAIK.  If all those powers wouldn't deal ongoing damage they woudn't have the associated damage keyword present in a power when this damage type is dealt by the power. Just because you refuse to acknowledge that doesn't make it false. And i don't think such concensus exist for powers.

No where in the rules does it even say once what you claim triggered powers do. So i can only come to the conclusion that triggered powers effects don't become inherently part of their triggering power hit line since no rule say they do. Only exception is for extra damage which explicitly say so.


RC 114 Damage Type: If a power has one of these keywords, it deals the associated type of damage.  

Definition of attack doesn't say: ''Under all of the effects that do something like that, the effect becomes part of a hit, and part of the attack''  anywhere go look again.

A hit line is part of the attack definition because its an effect resulting from the attack roll. But this does not necessarly apply to other seperate triggered power's effect that can be used when you hit a target. 

Otherwise Deadly Smite, to take your earlier exemple, would be a damage dealt by the triggering power by your definition and would thus gain the cold and necrotic keyword but we know it doesn't do this because its not a extra damage and so Deadly Smite is not a damage dealt in addition to the triggering attack's damage. To contrast, Assassin's Shroud's damage is in addition to the triggering attack's damage because it say so in the power otherwise it wouldn't because its not an extra damage. 

A triggered power's effect come into effect because the trigger is met, but doesn't become part of the triggering event inherently. Otherwise any triggered  teleport effect would convey the teleportation keyword to the triggering power, any triggered healing effect would convey the healing keyword to the triggering power etc..As i said previously, a Power such as Kord's Favor doesn't make the triggering attack heal yourself and gain the Healing keyword since it is delivered by Kord's Favor itself even if it can only be used when you hit with an attack.