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9 months ago  ::  Sep 23, 2012 - 3:51PM #1
DWulfgren
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My DM has basically told me that my character needs to act more chaotic to retain my CN alignment. What can i do that's chaotic but yet neutral?  i would prefer my character not slip to chaotic evil... 
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9 months ago  ::  Sep 23, 2012 - 4:02PM #2
Salla
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Just roleplay your character.  Alignment is bull anyway.
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9 months ago  ::  Sep 23, 2012 - 4:30PM #3
MrCustomer
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Sep 23, 2012 -- 4:02PM, Salla wrote:

Just roleplay your character.  Alignment is bull anyway.


You should express to your DM that allignments aren't a straight jacket, especially to non allignment dependant classes (such as the Paladin in 3.5) That being said if you are acting too lawful the DM could insist upon a change.

On the otherhand, if your allignment doesn't actually effect your classes dynamic, then it really doesn't matter how it's labled, Act your character how you want him to act and if the DM decides you are true NN or LN then la-de-da.
 

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9 months ago  ::  Sep 23, 2012 - 4:31PM #4
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Ask 10 different people this question, and you'll get 12 different answers.  D&D alignments are pretty vague, and therefore alignment is very much dependent on the subjective interpretation of the reader.  And what you're experiencing is a common issue - where two or more interpretations of an alignment are competing with a player's character on the line.

If you're playing 3.5, you're best bet is to talk with your DM about what you and him think Chaotic Neutral means, or should mean, and get on the same page.  Primarily because your class abilities depend on you maintaining your alignment in the eyes of your DM, whether or not you think you're probably roleplaying Chaotic Neutral.

If you're 4e, you have nothing to worry about.  You can't lose your powers if your alignment changes, there are nearly zero mechanics that reference alignment, and none of those currently matter to you.  So you can just continue to roleplay your character as you feel is appropriate.
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9 months ago  ::  Sep 23, 2012 - 4:40PM #5
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Sep 23, 2012 -- 4:02PM, Salla wrote:

Just roleplay your character.  Alignment is bull anyway.



I am in total agreement with this.


In fact, in my games, I don't even bother with alignment. I just ask players to write up a brief summary of the character's moral code. This is part of why I've begun favoring 4e: Dropping from nine alignments to five gave a lot more 'wiggle room' in them. At least, that's the change I've noticed relative to the really alignment-focused individuals I've played with.

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9 months ago  ::  Sep 23, 2012 - 4:42PM #6
DWulfgren
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Sep 23, 2012 -- 4:31PM, Fireclave wrote:

Ask 10 different people this question, and you'll get 12 different answers.  D&D alignments are pretty vague, and therefore alignment is very much dependent on the subjective interpretation of the reader.  And what you're experiencing is a common issue - where two or more interpretations of an alignment are competing with a player's character on the line.

If you're playing 3.5, you're best bet is to talk with your DM about what you and him think Chaotic Neutral means, or should mean, and get on the same page.  Primarily because your class abilities depend on you maintaining your alignment in the eyes of your DM, whether or not you think you're probably roleplaying Chaotic Neutral.



Idk im pretty sure the fact that i play a madman fit the bill, and i haven't done anything evil necessarily. My character usually gambles for ridiculous things like peoples clothes and other garbage. i'm just trying to think of a way to act more chaotic.

What about converting followers, does that do me any good? 

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9 months ago  ::  Sep 23, 2012 - 4:44PM #7
DWulfgren
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Sep 23, 2012 -- 4:40PM, KColette wrote:

Sep 23, 2012 -- 4:02PM, Salla wrote:

Just roleplay your character.  Alignment is bull anyway.



This is part of why I've begun favoring 4e: Dropping from nine alignments to five gave a lot more 'wiggle room' in them. At least, that's the change I've noticed relative to the really alignment-focused individuals I've played with.





4e *painfull cringe*

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9 months ago  ::  Sep 23, 2012 - 4:46PM #8
Maelphaxerazz
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If you really care about being Chaotic (and, unless its required for one of your feats or classes, you shouldn't), then you're better off asking your DM what he thinks Chaotic means. After all, it is your DM who is the final judge of it in your game, so it is his opinion on alignment that matters, and not anybody else's.

In short, ask your DM what he thinks a Chaotic character would do or act like.
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9 months ago  ::  Sep 23, 2012 - 4:51PM #9
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Cant be that hard. From the D20 SRD...



 
Chaotic Neutral, "Free Spirit"

A chaotic neutral character follows his whims. He is an individualist first and last. He values his own liberty but doesn’t strive to protect others’ freedom. He avoids authority, resents restrictions, and challenges traditions. A chaotic neutral character does not intentionally disrupt organizations as part of a campaign of anarchy. To do so, he would have to be motivated either by good (and a desire to liberate others) or evil (and a desire to make those different from himself suffer). A chaotic neutral character may be unpredictable, but his behavior is not totally random. He is not as likely to jump off a bridge as to cross it.


Chaotic neutral is the best alignment you can be because it represents true freedom from both society’s restrictions and a do-gooder’s zeal.

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9 months ago  ::  Sep 23, 2012 - 5:08PM #10
DWulfgren
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i figured as much about needing to talk to the DM. 

I DO care about being Chaotic,  i hate being lawful and i think thered be alot of party conflict of i were evil. CN is a perfect fit my my character with his penchant for mischief. i think the first day i went to a shithole tavern and challenged the bar tender to armwrestle (Big guy, no way i would win) so i used my read mind ability(doppelganger ability at 5ft distance, makes it much easier to shape change into someone) and then shape changed into him (the DM DOES allow me to gain the abilities of my acquired form if i make a successful DC on a d20) the bartender almost **** himself and just gave me the money and told me to NEVER do that in the city again (apparrently in Faerun, "changelings" aren't very well respected, especially in the Dales). 

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